Do Budge and Eutychus agree on theology?

[curtins]

There is no 'tossing out'. There is the truth, as contained in the Catholic church, and then there is less than the truth. If you do not submitt to the teachings of the Church, ie the truth, then you are not being tossed out- you are making your own prideful decision.

The magisterium exists to teach on faith and morals.

[Eutychus]

[quote]
The magisterium exists to teach on faith and morals.[/quote]

Why so many "Magicsteeringthems" then?

Ordinary

Teaching

Extraordinary

Superduperordinary?

Frankly, it just seems like a program designed to give "plausible deniabilty" whenever someone muffs one, they can disavow each other, and frequently do.

[homeschoolmom]

Stop refering to the Magistarium as the "Magicsteeringthems."

[Eutychus]

[quote]Magistarium [/quote]

Why?

I'm not catholic, and I find the very concept hilarous beyond belief. Since NO ONE actually knows who they are, and there are what, three or FOUR different versions of them...it is a concept that actually parallels the Sanhedrin or the Rabbinical Councils.

You do know, that in Matthew 23, when Jesus says call no man "teacher" the actual word in GREEK when translated into Latin is MAGISTER, so actually your church, picked the ONE word that Jesus said not to use for collective governence and made it into THE word that they use.

Magister = Teacher = Magisteerium = Group of Teachers = Sanhedrin

Edited August 23, 2006 by Eutychus

[homeschoolmom]

You've been asked not to do it. It's offensive. I know you think that it's okay to be offensive, but it's not. Don't do it again.

[Eutychus]

My my my.....

Are we touchy today or what?

If you insist, but I find PROTESTANT highly offensive to me.

Shall we trade off?

[homeschoolmom]

I'm not touchy today. I'm just getting tired of you being rude by refering to our clergy as the boys in silk dresses among other things. You hide behind the fact that the phorum guildlines grant you a little more wiggle room because you are not Catholic. However, common courtesy would ask that you be polite. You are not. It is diffiicult to have a civil dialogue this way.

[Eutychus]

Not to belabor the point, but they do wear silk dresses.

Evangelicals would laugh a preacher out of the pulpit who showed up gussied up like those dandies, with watered silk, lace, and such.

Why should, I *an evangelical* honor those who are so obviously violating the CLEAR teachings of Jesus? Walking around, dressed like SPECIAL HUMANS, desiring praise, honor, and using such terms of address as holy father, your eminence, your excellency, and other such honorifics SPECIFICALLY condemned? The dress is condemned, the titles are condemned, and I will NOT pretent to have anything other than disguste at those effeminate prissies in such garb and with such elevated needs for human adoration.

[quote]Matthew 23:1 (KJV) Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
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5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.[/b][/color]

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: { MAGISTERIUM } for one is your Master, [even] Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
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[b]1[color="#990000"]2 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; [/color][/b][/size]and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.[/quote]

We are NOT told to honor such men, but to DEBASE them openly, and so I do.

I'm just following the CLEAR instructions of our Lord Jesus Christ here.

[homeschoolmom]

Those graduating from HS are not wearing dresses. Neither are the clergy who wear vestments.

[bball33]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1049271' date='Aug 23 2006, 09:14 PM']
We are NOT told to honor such men, but to DEBASE them openly, and so I do.

I'm just following the CLEAR instructions of our Lord Jesus Christ here.
[/quote]

I find it quite funny. Why do you use scripture against other scripture? Jesus said to obey your authority. You know, the perception is in the eye of the beholder, and obviously, you have a different perception than I do about the Church. However, when you signed up you agreed to a set of rules which ask you to not debase them. I could go around calling Billy Graham and several other prominent "evangelicals" names, because I may or may not like them, yet I do not. Either way, do it because you were asked.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1049271' date='Aug 23 2006, 10:14 PM']We are NOT told to honor such men, but to DEBASE them openly, and so I do.

I'm just following the CLEAR instructions of our Lord Jesus Christ here.[/quote]You really are a mean-spirited man. We try to engage in civil dialogue with you, and you just can't find enough ways to insult us and those who share our Faith. So much for [i]"love thy neighbor"[/i]...

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1049271' date='Aug 23 2006, 08:14 PM']
Not to belabor the point, but they do wear silk dresses.

Evangelicals would laugh a preacher out of the pulpit who showed up gussied up like those dandies, with watered silk, lace, and such.

Why should, I *an evangelical* honor those who are so obviously violating the CLEAR teachings of Jesus? Walking around, dressed like SPECIAL HUMANS, desiring praise, honor, and using such terms of address as holy father, your eminence, your excellency, and other such honorifics SPECIFICALLY condemned? The dress is condemned, the titles are condemned, and I will NOT pretent to have anything other than disguste at those effeminate prissies in such garb and with such elevated needs for human adoration.
We are NOT told to honor such men, but to DEBASE them openly, and so I do.

I'm just following the CLEAR instructions of our Lord Jesus Christ here.
[/quote]So what should a preacher wear?

[chris]

Honestly, I have no idea why our members here give these two [mod]personal attack[/mod] the benefit of the doubt. They have been offensive to our teaching authority, they have twisted scripture to mock our priests and call them boys in dresses, they have accused us of open idol worship, and mixing and creating hybrid-religions.

These are the men we are warned against in the Proverbs. They are foolish, wise in their own eyes. Why benefit their arguments by wasting your breath?

Leave them to their foolish mindset and let the ultimate judge decide where and whom is right. We cannot change them...And they WILL NEVER CHANGE US!!They are to foolish and have no understanding of an open mind. Fight and debating will only anger you or cause you are beat your head against a wall. Truth be told these men arent worth my time anymore. They answer no questions or give respect when resepct is due.

Their theology is a bunch of hogwash protestant propaganda

and twisted scripture...All bark and no bite.

Edited August 24, 2006 by homeschoolmom

[Paladin D]

[b]Eutychus[/b], I'm puzzled as to why you think it's necessary to use malicious sarcasm to make your points? It's not exactly Christ-like in nature, and since you've implied we're not truely Christian, and thus then there is no obligation on our part to hold onto your standards, a sarcastic reply on my part cannot be viewed as hypocritical.

[sarcasm]You preach to us, but don't practice. Then why should we?[/sarcasm]


Now if you excuse me, I have to hit the sack, I have work tomorrow morning.

Edited August 24, 2006 by Paladin D

[jswranch]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1049271' date='Aug 23 2006, 08:14 PM']
I'm just following the CLEAR instructions of our Lord Jesus Christ here.
[/quote]

I think you may be missing some of the meat in Matt 23 by using the KJV. I use RSV as it is used by Cats and Evangelicals:

[quote]2: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat;
3: so [u]practice and observe whatever they tell you[/u], but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice. [/quote]

Here Jesus is saying that no matter how they act, you must be subjected to them.

[Gal. 5:22,23]

[quote name='Paladin D' post='1049457' date='Aug 23 2006, 11:18 PM']
[b]Eutychus[/b], I'm puzzled as to why you think it's necessary to use malicious sarcasm to make your points? It's not exactly Christ-like in nature...
[/quote]


Exactly. Have you ever read 1 Peter 3:15? "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with [b]gentleness and respect.[/b]"

When I was Protestant, my pastor used to preach "walk the talk." Good words.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1049271' date='Aug 23 2006, 08:14 PM']
Not to belabor the point, but they do wear silk dresses.

Evangelicals would laugh a preacher out of the pulpit who showed up gussied up like those dandies, with watered silk, lace, and such.
[/quote]
Well, well! When in doubt, make more silly remarks about "boys in silk dresses." (Ands you forgot the "gilded hockey sticks" -whatever they are- this time. )

Somebody obviously does not know the difference between robes and dresses! They in fact are quite different. (And the liturgical vestments of the priests I know are not silk, nor lacy, etc.)
Robes were in fact the normal men's clothes in middle-eastern regions, and Catholic priestly garments are descended from those of the Jews in Biblical times.

In fact, most pictures of Jesus (even those by protestants - though I suppose those were obviously the evil, idolotrous sorts), show Him wearing robes.
But I suppose Jesus never wore those sissy robes, and instead walked about Palestine in a pair of trousers, shirt and tie, or probably a nice white suit, like the good Evangelical that He was! (Or was He more of the jeans and t-shirt type? )


[quote name='Eutychus' post='1049271' date='Aug 23 2006, 08:14 PM']
We are NOT told to honor such men, but to DEBASE them openly, and so I do.

I'm just following the CLEAR instructions of our Lord Jesus Christ here.
[/quote]
LOL - Is there anyone you do NOT debase openly!

We're all very impressed by your heroic Christ-like efforts on this board.

So all you have to do to follow Christ is constantly insult and debase people?
Sounds like fun! Sign me up for your church now!

[chris]

[quote]Honestly, I have no idea why our members here give these two Edited by [b]moderator: personal attack[/b] the benefit of the doubt. They have been offensive to our teaching authority, they have twisted scripture to mock our priests and call them boys in dresses, they have accused us of open idol worship, and mixing and creating hybrid-religions. [/quote]

I quess an apology is due to those reading this.

Maybe I shouldnt have been hasty, however it doesnt change my mind about these men. They really [b]do not[/b] do what they say and say what they do and I seriously pray for them.

And if we are to debase men rather than honnor them. They why are we supposed to love our neighboor as ourselves? Thats secound to the greatest command! To love our LORD with all heart, mind and, strength

Again, my apologies.

Edited August 24, 2006 by Convert4888

[Norseman82]

Often, one's avatar says a lot about the person

Edited August 24, 2006 by Norseman82

[Resurrexi]

[quote]I also find it ludicrous that the RC poster seems to hint that ALL Catholics believe what Rome teaches. There is just as wide a range of beliefs inside the Catholic Church as anywhere else. On PAPER you might have a claim to uniformity of belief, but in REALITY, there is more outright hostility and divergent beliefs betwen a militant Opus Dei Catholic, and a Minnesota Far Left liberal Catholic. Not to mention the VAST differences between other countries and here and there.[/quote]

Those who deny the Dogmata of HMC, are non-Catholics and heretics. There is only one type of Catholicism, orthodox Catholicism. Orthodox Catholicism believes in all Dogmata and obeys the Magesterium.

[quote]A true Catholic is one who believes in the dogmas taught by the Church and is loyal to Rome and the Magisterium. Those who do not, whether schismatic "rad-trads," or liberal "Catholics" who deny some or all of Church doctrine, are not really Catholics, despite what they may call themselves.[/quote]

Actually, 'rad-trads'; unless they are priests in a schismatic society, deny the validity Novus Ordo Missae in Latin or of the Second Vatican Council or do not believe any of the Popes since Vatican II were valid popes; are indeed Catholics.

Eutychus, would you please stop calling the Good Magesterium of the Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church the Magicsteeringthem!