Do Budge and Eutychus agree on theology?

[Robbi]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1048683' date='Aug 23 2006, 03:41 AM']
.... Where we tend to disagree is on the non-essentials, like eschatological timings, spiritual gifts, and the like, on the biggies the differences are almost inconsequential.........
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Going back to the very beginning....i noticed this little snipet by Eutychus.

Eutychus,

Can you please show me from YOUR bible, where the list or index of what IS Essential and non Essential doctrine? (i cant find it in mine )

Does doctrine even matter to non-Catholic Christians?

[Cow of Shame]

[quote name='jswranch' post='1048671' date='Aug 23 2006, 03:52 AM']
do they share all the same beliefs about morality, blah blah blah blah

Do they care?
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Do [i]I[/i] care?

[jswranch]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1049129' date='Aug 23 2006, 05:44 PM']
Why?

I'm not catholic, and I find the very concept hilarous beyond belief. Since NO ONE actually knows who they are, and there are what, three or FOUR different versions of them...it is a concept that actually parallels the Sanhedrin or the Rabbinical Councils.

You do know, that in Matthew 23, when Jesus says call no man "teacher" the actual word in GREEK when translated into Latin is MAGISTER, so actually your church, picked the ONE word that Jesus said not to use for collective governence and made it into THE word that they use.

Magister = Teacher = Magisteerium = Group of Teachers = Sanhedrin
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You need to work on your typology from OT to new covenant where the law fore shadows something greater (Heb 10:1).

Check out [url="http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=RsvExod.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=18&division=div1"][u]Exodus 18 where Moses selectes judges over the people of God[/u].[/url]

That is the OT magisterium (teaching/ruling arm of God on earth) which ruled over items of the law.

Where is it in the NT? [url="http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=RsvActs.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=15&division=div1"][u]Check out Acts 15 where the Holy Spirit guides sinful, fallible men to make infallible rulings on items of faith[/u].[/url] Besides these guys, like the bible, were God breathed (Jn 20:22)

So where is this teaching/ruling arm of God on earth today?

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Edited August 25, 2006 by jswranch

[Theologian in Training]

[b]We are NOT told to honor such men, but to DEBASE them openly, and so I do.[/b]

What an excellent way to justify being uncharitable, hiding behind "the Scriptures told me to."

Personally, I don't care what you call us, and when you have heard that you are anything from a child molester to a Mary worshipper words start to lose meaning...or maybe it is just the whole childish "I'm rubber, you're glue" justification, but Jesus also says something else, "do unto others as you have them do unto you." If you want people to stop calling you "Protestant," non-theological, and anything else, then you too need to stop leveling attacks, be them personal or upon the Church itself, because though you do not believe the same things we believe, they are a part of our life, and for you to come along and just blatantly toss around insults, we take it personally, because, once again, that is our life.

If you are trying to see how many people you can annoy or offend then I would question your motives for being here, on the other hand, if you are genuinely interested in what we believe, then it should be a given that there would be a level of civility in our dialogue, rather than blatant attacks.

I have met many people in my day that I don't see eye to eye with, and some have leveled personal attacks...I think my favorite was "turn or burn," but I have also had some great conversations, one I recall with an evangelical minister, where we spent a very long time discussing our differences, and understanding what we each believed. I listened, and he did as well, we didn't try to cut each other off in the middle of a sentence, and we did not fall into personal attacks, and, in the end, we both learned a lot.

I am sure you know this already, but the credibility of your argument is always greatly affected when the argument is less about theology and more about attacking one's beliefs, and though they are related, and there is always the element of taking it personal, when you argue on a theological level, you are more "in the mind," as it were and it is more of a rational discussion rather than, "all priests are gay because they wear those prissie dresses."

Just my .02

God Bless

Fr. Brian

[IcePrincessKRS]

:applause:

[chris]

go get them Father!

[peach_cube]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1049271' date='Aug 23 2006, 10:14 PM']
Not to belabor the point, but they do wear silk dresses.

Evangelicals would laugh a preacher out of the pulpit who showed up gussied up like those dandies, with watered silk, lace, and such.

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Never been to an Evangelical Luthern service have you?

[jswranch]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1049271' date='Aug 23 2006, 08:14 PM']
Not to belabor the point, but they do wear silk dresses.
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[img]http://www.frommyheart.org/view/uploads/jesus10034517.JPG[/img]

Sounds like the same type of outfit Jesus wore. I guess Catholics and other [s]Protestants[/s]Christians are guilty of trying to be like Christ.

[img]http://www.stjames-hamptonhill.org.uk/images/Inside/BrianR.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.choir-robes.com/choir-robe-styles/ontario.jpg[/img]

[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='jswranch' post='1050847' date='Aug 26 2006, 02:16 AM']
[img]http://www.frommyheart.org/view/uploads/jesus10034517.JPG[/img]

Sounds like the same type of outfit Jesus wore. I guess Catholics and other [s]Protestants[/s]Christians are guilty of trying to be like Christ.

[img]http://www.stjames-hamptonhill.org.uk/images/Inside/BrianR.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.choir-robes.com/choir-robe-styles/ontario.jpg[/img]
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Fancy

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1048683' date='Aug 23 2006, 05:41 AM']
I also find it ludicrous that the RC poster seems to hint that ALL Catholics believe what Rome teaches. There is just as wide a range of beliefs inside the Catholic Church as anywhere else. On PAPER you might have a claim to uniformity of belief, but in REALITY, there is more outright hostility and divergent beliefs betwen a militant Opus Dei Catholic, and a Minnesota Far Left liberal Catholic. Not to mention the VAST differences between other countries and here and there.[/quote]

It's easy to perceive that. There are, of course, some valid disagreements within the faith (for instance, whether the Blessed Virgin actually died or not), but there really aren't any on a doctrinal level. The Church is an organism. Like any organism, there are cells which grow too much, too quickly, and, if I may anthropomorphize individual cells, think quite a bit of themselves, to the point that they get quite large and begin spreading. In anatomy, such things are usually called cancers. No one who has a severe case of skin cancer says, "I'm 95% human and 5% cancerous," or, "I'm human, but I have cancer," as if cancer somehow takes away from humanity. So it is in the Church. I do not mean to call dissenting individuals a cancer, although their false doctrines certainly are, but they simply aren't really part of the Church. The Church, therefore, says, "I am Catholic...I believe universally," and it doesn't matter what the dissenters say they are (even if they insist that they are Catholic) any more than it matters what cancer would say (even if it insisted it was human).