Ignore Budge?

[Groo the Wanderer]

Got an idea.

Seems like lately all the action on the boards is with 'Pope' Budge throwing trash talk at us. Nothing but misrepresentations, out of context snippets, unverified quotes, and flat out lies.

It has grown tiring. I miss the days when interreligious dialogue meant exactly that. Don't see that anymore...just anti-catholic rhetoric followed by a mass rush to present the Truth, which is a waste of time IMHO, since he/she won't listen to facts and logic anyway.

So the idea is this....no matter what St. Budge posts for the next 2 weeks...nobody respond. At all. Not even an emote.

Maybe once he/she (still not sure which) learns to debate and dialogue instead of inflame and accuse, we can respond again...as long at it stays civil.

dunno.....whaddy'all think?


Budge - I lub ya, but yer like talking to a stop sign sometimes...if you truly, TRULY want to know what the Church believes and teaches...there are 2 books to read: the Bible and the Catechism.

[stbernardLT]

I hear ya, but at the same time it keeps me fresh on my apologetics. I like the challenge.

[Era Might]

They've been on ignore for a while now, and I no longer respond to them. I don't understand why everyone keeps indulging them. The debate board has basically been hijacked by them. They are only here to troll.

I actually miss the old days when politics and integrism were the hijack methods of choice.

Edited September 8, 2006 by Era Might

[mariahLVzJP2]

[quote name='stbernardLT' post='1059112' date='Sep 8 2006, 02:33 PM']
I hear ya, but at the same time it keeps me fresh on my apologetics. I like the challenge.
[/quote]
i agree.

i like reading the responses to them, but honestly i dont really read what Budge or Eutychus post anyway. all those large fonts and the underlining of text are not appealing to me.

[rkwright]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1059113' date='Sep 8 2006, 02:34 PM']
They've been on ignore for a while now, and I no longer respond to them. I don't understand why everyone keeps indulging them. The debate board has basically been hijacked by them. They are only here to troll.

I actually miss the old days when politics and integrism were the hijack methods of choice.


[/quote]

I agree...

When any good debate actually starts they both quickly change the subject or just flat out leave it.

Era- haha I don't miss the politics! How about the days of Cam educating us all on Mary's sinlessness!

[Farsight one]

I like underlining and some all caps words. It helps get the point across sometimes, but in my experience, large fonts are used to distract people from other things, rather than bring one's attention to what is being said.

I will continue to debate with them as long as we're both around. It strengthens my debating skills, I'm learning all sorts of good bible quotes, and I HATE it when people have a dislike for something about someone (in this case our Catholocism) that is based upon misunderstanding.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

no way, the debate board is much more fun with Protestants and anti-catholics... if Budge were gone, you'd all be complaining about how boring the debate board is.

if it's tiring, take a break and pray for Budge (I'm sure she'll appreciate it, and reciprocate the prayers)

[Era Might]

[quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' post='1059128' date='Sep 8 2006, 02:49 PM']no way, the debate board is much more fun with Protestants and anti-catholics... if Budge were gone, you'd all be complaining about how boring the debate board is.

if it's tiring, take a break and pray for Budge (I'm sure she'll appreciate it, and reciprocate the prayers)[/quote]
It's not that it's tiring, I just don't think it's edifying for anyone. It's like watching the WWF to learn about human values. Yah, there's a few lessons in there about fortitude and sportsmanship, but the melodrama is what everyone notices.

We need more people like Jesuspaidtheprice who really want to discuss.

Edited September 8, 2006 by Era Might

[XIX]

Hey wait, this is a good idea.

[Winchester]

There is a lack of style in Budgies methods that is common to most trolls (and Budgie is certainly a troll and not an actual anti-Catholic) in not responding to all problems posted.

A proper troll will respond to every point, sometimes with nonsense or intentional misinterpretation. The lowest form of response is the insult response, but at least it is some manner or engagement. Given time, Budgie will become a good troll, if she puts her mind to it. Her willingness to find and copy pointless attacks is a form of dedication many trolls don't possess.

She shows certain "frustratingly dense" tactics that work extremely well. Witness our discussion on the Everbody Relax thread about the AP situation. It's textbook intentional misunderstanding. She got me to cut and paste from multiple threads in order to make my point. That's a win for a troll--they do something stupid, you do work to prove them wrong. It's a game. Trolls win, typically, but good trolls do it with style. Budge is almost there, but not quite.

I've talked to my wife about this. Trolls have low standards for victory. You play, they win. But the fact is that someone must in many cases respond for those who only read and don't post, or who, unlike trolls like Budge, take seriously the damage done to a person's faith (and possibly a person's soul) by the comments about Catholicism. Sure, they're dirt dumb to us. They've been toppled countless times, but to a young person, a person in crisis, Budgies infantile tirades have merit and real teeth.

Our victory lies in telling the truth for those people.

[scardella]

Sorta makes you miss that Saddam guy, doesn't it? I forget his name.

[cmotherofpirl]

Budge and Company will never earn any truth about Catholicism unless the read our boards, because they are certainly never gonna read it on their own.
Think of Apologetic practice as time off from Purgatory

May the Holy Spirit soften your hearts and light up your brain cells.
Hail Mary
Our Father
Glory Be
Amen

[Era Might]

[quote name='scardella' post='1059188' date='Sep 8 2006, 05:10 PM']Sorta makes you miss that Saddam guy, doesn't it? I forget his name.[/quote]
ROFL. PadreSantiago. I just sat here for 20 minutes trying to remember his name.

[homeschoolmom]

wow...

[CatholicCid]

Boycott Budge sounds better

[Resurrexi]

I agree with Winchester that the Holy and Only True Faith must be defended to keep others from being scandalised or being led into doubt of The Teachings of Holy Mother Church.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1059156' date='Sep 8 2006, 03:40 PM']
But the fact is that someone must in many cases respond for those who only read and don't post, or who, unlike trolls like Budge, take seriously the damage done to a person's faith (and possibly a person's soul) by the comments about Catholicism. Sure, they're dirt dumb to us. They've been toppled countless times, but to a young person, a person in crisis, Budgies infantile tirades have merit and real teeth.

Our victory lies in telling the truth for those people.
[/quote]

Bingo. That in a nutshell sums it up. And if anyone wants evidence that these exchanges are in fact edifying, read this thread:

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=57037"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=57037[/url]

Another thing. When things get out of control, the mods have been good about giving out warnings.

I don't know where people get the idea that we are supposed to walk around like Snow White where all the birdies and rabbits and tree moles are singing happy songs in order to prove we have peace in our lives. We are Church Militant, not Church Pacifist. In battle, things sometimes get ugly and we have to get our hands dirty. If that is not for someone, fine, but I don't want anyone tying my hands behind my back. Sure, we should not do anything stupid that will end up doing more harm than good, but I also learned in life that some people just will never be satisfied with us no matter what we do, and so I could care less what they think.

As far as the Budge/Eutychus threads, it is educational. And sometimes when they leave a thread after we meet their challenges and they don't respond to our challenges/responses, there are two possible outcomes. Either they are seriously taking one of our points, or people will see them for who they are.

[ruso]

Is what I think, Budge is not alone a person, they are several people.
The protestant forums that know do not publish opinions of catholics, this well to listen to the Protestants, but we do not leave that they use a forum catholic to attack to the Church.

Edited September 9, 2006 by ruso

[Era Might]

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself."

--Proverbs 26:4

[Farsight one]

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