Ignore Budge?

[Groo the Wanderer]

Hmmm...much food for thought...many things to ponder here....

I especially like the time off from Purgatory for practicing Apologetics.


Speaking of...anybody out there know if real life in-person Protestants are like this? I have debated a few, but never any that got ugly like that...not even the two JW ladies that knocked on my door one day (that was a hoot).

Went on vacation a couple months back and stayed in a B&B in St. Louis...one of the other guests was a Presbyterian minister. We talked for about an hour or so before breakfast one day. He had questions about the doctrine of Purgatory. The worst thing he ever lobbed my way was commenting that the Church's interpretation of one particular passage was 'weak', but he acknowledged the reasoning behind the doctrine, even if he did not agree with it.

Guess I expected Budge and Co. to be the same - civil and willing to engage in actual dialogue.....my bad.

I shall redouble my efforts not to be discouraged in the face of obstinacy - thanks to all who put in thier 2-10 cents worth! : : :

[Veritas]

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Groo,

My guess is that they're probably quite young as well. This may help you to be patient and to understand why they aren't dialoguing (listening, reading correctly and clearly, and responding appropriately) very well! May the Lord grant them clarity in addition to sincerity!

O ineffable Creator,
Who, out of the treasure of Thy wisdom,
hast ordained three hierarchies of Angels,
and placed them in wonderful order above the heavens,
and hast most wisely distributed the parts of the world;
Thou, Who are called the true fountain of light and wisdom,
and the highest beginning,
vouchsafe to pour upon the darkness of my understanding,
in which I was born,
the double beam of Thy brightness,
removing from me all darkness of sin and ignorance.
Thou, Who makest eloquent the tongue of the dumb,
instruct my tongue,
and pour on my lips the grace of Thy blessing.
Give me quickness of understanding,
capacity of retaining,
subtlety of interpreting,
facility in learning,
and copious grace of speaking.
Guide my going in,
direct my going forward,
accomplish my going forth;
through Christ our Lord.

Amen.

St. Thomas Aquinas~Pray for Us!

[Socrates]

[quote name='Veritas' post='1059439' date='Sep 8 2006, 10:26 PM']
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Groo,

My guess is that they're probably quite young as well. This may help you to be patient and to understand why they aren't dialoguing (listening, reading correctly and clearly, and responding appropriately) very well! [/quote]
Eutychus is 52 if I remember correctly.

[cmotherofpirl]

We have had lovely gracious conversations here and some epic royal battles as well, but usually with people who are actually here to converse and not to play bait the catholic game.
Thank you to all who are in the former categories. The only thing accomplished by those in the latter group is to make us fervantly thankful to be members of the Catholic Church.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1059418' date='Sep 8 2006, 11:06 PM']
You think she's being a troll? Disagreeing simply to disagree? I think she's like these guys: [url="http://p203.ezboard.com/btruechristiansunite"]http://p203.ezboard.com/btruechristiansunite[/url]
[/quote]

Well I sure hope she has a better hairstyle than most of them!!!

[Eutychus]

[quote]Budge and Company will never earn any truth about Catholicism unless the read our boards, because they are certainly never gonna read it on their own. [/quote]

Let's see here....12 years of Catholic schools, and five years of studying RCism.

I daresay, that we know more about Catholicm than 90% of the laity snoozing in the pews.

We just have come to a different conclusion than those that adore her, "that sits a queen"

[annehladik]

In general I never reply to threads posted by Budge or concerning Budge, so this will be my only post on the topic. I post it only to give fellow Phatmassers some advice.

It seems to me that, when a person's conversation is so consistently bilious and hateful, that that person is speaking not to communicate but to instead be noticed. Budge (and to a lesser extent, Eutychus) spew such venom that their spit could be used as battery acid. Therefore, why waste time on an individual that has come to this place specifically to disrupt and cause others unpleasantness in their home, and whose behavior belies a lack of Christ's love?

Some individuals get a sense of power out of annoying others and therefore intentionally make themselves disliked. They don't know how to act in such a way that people actually like them, so they must act in the opposite way in order to be known at all.

While I read the debate threads and admire the charity displayed by many Phatmassers in response to such venomous (and poorly constructed arguments), I firmly believe that those individuals are still giving our disruptors a sense of satisfaction, as what they are here for is attention. Start ignoring them as they should be ignored, and like a fly that is shooed away, they will eventually get tired and leave.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1059512' date='Sep 9 2006, 05:05 AM']
Let's see here....12 years of Catholic schools, and five years of studying RCism.

I daresay, that we know more about Catholicm than 90% of the laity snoozing in the pews.

We just have come to a different conclusion than those that adore her, "that sits a queen"
[/quote]

I wish I knew half as many Catholics personally as Euty does.

Wow, you is one popular son of a gun!

[Eutychus]

[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/uploads/av-4643.gif[/img]

[b]Indeed!!

GREAT IDEA!![/b]

[img]http://www.messianicjewish.net/graphics/LB46lg.jpg[/img]

[size=5][b]The ORIGINAL and still unsurpassed, don't be fooled by cheap imitations![/b][/size]

[Budge]

[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/uploads/av-4643.gif[/img]

Looks like another person THE CATHOLIC UNDERTOW got.
[quote]
Overcoming the Undertow

Leaving the Catholic Church involves more than just understanding that some Catholic doctrines and practices are contrary to Scripture. There are often emotional issues as well. I have had to deal with these issues myself. I also correspond with former Catholics who are currently dealing with them.

Some people see God’s truth, simply and suddenly, like a light being turned on inside of them. They walk out of Catholicism and into Biblical Christianity, without emotional turmoil. That is wonderful. It is a precious gift from God.

For many former Catholics, there are difficult emotional issues that we have to deal with. Often our new friends in our new church don’t understand them.

Christians often assume that, once Catholics understand doctrinal issues and Biblical principles, then that is the end of the matter. But for many of us, it isn’t. There can be a lot more involved than just intellectual understanding.

Catholics are used to having priests tell them how to think and what to do. As a result, it can be difficult for former Catholics to learn to pray for themselves, read the Bible for themselves, and take responsibility for their own life. We can overcome this difficulty, but it requires determination, persistence, and prayer.

There is something that I call the “Catholic undertow.” Have you ever been swimming in the ocean, and tried to swim back to shore, but the undertow kept pulling you back out to sea? Well, something similar can happen to people who have left the Catholic Church.[u]

The Bible warns us that people who have been set free from something need to stand their ground and refuse to be pulled back into their old bondage[/u]. It says:

“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.” (Galatians 5:1)

The purpose of this book is to help you “stand fast.” It will equip you to overcome the Catholic undertow. It will help you recognize it when it pulls at you, and resist the pull. It will deal with the root causes of the Catholic undertow--with the things that enable it to pull at us.

How do I know about the undertow? Because I’ve “been there and done that.” The undertow has pulled at me many times and in many different ways. Fighting to stand my ground and maintain my freedom is how I learned to understand the Catholic undertow. The insights in this book were learned in the trenches.
[/quote]

Basically make sure you follow the warnings of this verse.

[size=5]Pro 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, [so] a fool returneth to his folly.[/size]

[img]http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/dog.gif[/img]

[Winchester]

I love that line!

I must say, Budgie, if you gots threads about you, you ain't being ignored.

[desertwoman]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1059418' date='Sep 9 2006, 12:06 AM']
You think she's being a troll? Disagreeing simply to disagree? I think she's like these guys: [url="http://p203.ezboard.com/btruechristiansunite"]http://p203.ezboard.com/btruechristiansunite[/url]
[/quote]


That is one site I'm not going to. Too much hate.

[cmotherofpirl]

"The Catholic undertow"



Yep, GRACE is hard to resist.
I always laugh hysterically at the comment that catholics are blindly led around like sheep, especially when I think of my protestant relations who hang on dear pastors every blessed word. His interpretion of the bible is from God's mouth Himself ya know. However, when he preaches something a bit too close to home or to their disliking, they take it in their mind he might have made a mistake, they gather followers, split the congregation by infighting and factioning and ultimately go him a new little group, and find a "pastor" who agrees with their own little version of reality.

I know people who have been thru starting three different little sects.

So thats how we get the
united methodists, the free methodists, the evangelical methodists, the african methodists, the american baptists, the american baptist evangelicals, the bibl baptists, baptist missionaries, conservative baptists, the free will baptists, the full gospel baptists, the regular baptists, the 7th day baptists, the southern baptists, the world wide church of God
Of course then we have the pentecostals church, the united church of christ, the assemblies of God, international penticostal holiness people, and the regular church of God people. There are hundreds more little groups, each with their own little claim to authority.


Catholics know that we can't pick and choose, which little group of rules we want: should we be pro-homosexual, anti-honosexual, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, pro divorce, pro-polygamy, anti-alcohol, anti-smoking, anti this or anti that.
Our rules were set in stone a very long time ago, and reinforced by the authors the Church selected for inclusion in its own book the Bible. So if we follow the teachings of the Church, we discover we must CONFORM to church teaching, not pick a little group that agrees with us. Its called putting on the mind of Christ. We get so many graces along the way other people miss out on known as sacraments.

You people don't know what real freedom is.

Freedom is knowing that what the Catholic Church teaches is what was taught 1000 years ago and what the Apostles taught, and what Jesus Christ taught. Freedom is know the Scriptures I read today are the one picked out by the Early Church Fathers over 1600 years ago. Freedom is knowing that the Holy Spirit is in charge, and understanding that while the man in charge does not have to be particularly holy, the Holy Spirit guarentees he will not lead the Church into error, because CHRIST HIMSELF said the gates of hell will not prevail.
So while you see possible confusion and much misunderstanding and much sinfulness, we see the ship of ST Peter moving on thru history til the end of time.
To th Lord, We probably resemble Noahs ark a lot of the time, with lots of braying and plenty of manure to remove, but its His ship and His guidance as to our course.
So while the current or any previous captain in charge might and has been very sinful men, the actual PILOT who is doing the steering is topnotch.

[XIX]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1059512' date='Sep 9 2006, 04:05 AM']
Let's see here....12 years of Catholic schools, and five years of studying RCism.

I daresay, that we know more about Catholicm than 90% of the laity snoozing in the pews.

We just have come to a different conclusion than those that adore her, "that sits a queen"
[/quote]
I believe the technical term is "Catholicism."

Your refusal to call the Catholic Church anything but "RC" does a lot to undermine your credibility. If your arguments could stand on their own, then you wouldn't have to lean on silly semantics.

Oh and I've spent most of my life in Catholic schools, but if you really want to learn about the faith, you really must do it outside of an academic setting. You know that just as well as I do.

[Budge]

[quote]So while you see possible confusion and much misunderstanding and much sinfulness, we see the ship of ST Peter moving on thru history til the end of time.[/quote]

The problem with ships?

They eventually sink.

Ill take my chances here instead.

[img]http://wonders.wallpaperdave.com/ps18-02v.jpg[/img]

[Dave]

[quote name='Budge' post='1059892' date='Sep 9 2006, 08:57 PM']
The problem with ships?

They eventually sink.[/quote]

Not the ship of St. Peter! It's unsinkable. Jesus made sure of that.

[quote]Ill take my chances here instead.

[img]http://wonders.wallpaperdave.com/ps18-02v.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

You can't truly be on the rock of Christ without at the same time being on the ship of St. Peter. It's a "both-and" situation, not an "either-or" situation.

[Eutychus]

[quote]You can't truly be on the rock of Christ without at the same time being on the ship of St. Peter. [/quote]
[b]
Cool, great BUMPER STICKER![/b]

{ too bad it isn't rooted in anything other than hubris and pride....}

[i]{{ can an ex Catholic correct you and remind you it is NOT the "ship of Peter" but the "Barque of Peter".... see, I paid attenting when I was visiting the Vatican all those times....}}[/i]

[God the Father]

I'm just suprised I've never seen a thread like this about me.

[journeyman]

nice rock - is it auditioning for a Prudential ad, or the Gibralter Chamber of Commerce?

seriously, I've not been in the desert, and one desert looks sort of like another. Maccabean stronghold? Mt. Sinai? or something in the American southwest?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1059512' date='Sep 9 2006, 05:05 AM']
Let's see here....12 years of Catholic schools, and five years of studying RCism.

I daresay, that we know more about Catholicm than 90% of the laity snoozing in the pews.

We just have come to a different conclusion than those that adore her, "that sits a queen"
[/quote]

Did you try MCism, UCism, or any of the other Rites?