Chiquitunga Posted January 2, 2007 Author Posted January 2, 2007 Here are a couple more pictures of the Carthusian Nuns. I believe these are from the monastery in Spain .. Santa María de Benifaçà [center][img]http://www.angelfire.com/planet/morimond/charterhouse/images4/nun3.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.angelfire.com/planet/morimond/charterhouse/images4/nun2.jpg[/img][/center]
Chiquitunga Posted January 2, 2007 Author Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) Okay, I just came to the conclusion on the original question I brought up in this thread. On this site: [url="http://www.angelfire.com/planet/morimond/charterhouse/"]http://www.angelfire.com/planet/morimond/charterhouse/[/url] there is an article about the nuns from the Catholic Encyclopedia. It says the nuns have recreation twice a day, communal meals daily, and do not live in hermitages. I emailed the author of the site to ask about this, and here is his reply of a couple minutes ago: [quote]Benedicite Margaret The article sited from the Catholic Encyclopedia dates from 1910 and does reflect the Nuns' lifestyle at that time. That the nuns live in an identical manner as the monks, i.e., individual hermitages, is relatively new among the nuns. Historically, the nuns lived a more communal lifestyle until quite recently. Ave Maria! Marc[/quote] I'm thinking the changes were made during the Second Vatican Council. I know now that the nuns live the same life as the monks, with recreation only on Sundays. You can see this clearly from their site. And they definitely live in hermitages like the monks. That's really interesting how this is a more recent development .. I had no idea about this .. I think it's definitely a good thing. I wonder why they couldn't have the same way of life as the monks before .. The only difference I can think of now that still remains is that the nuns do not wear hairshirts, but I believe many of the Carthusian monks still do .. That's a good thing in my opinion - that the nuns don't have to wear hairshirts. Edited January 2, 2007 by Margaret Clare
Chiquitunga Posted January 2, 2007 Author Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) Okay, the author of this site sent me another message: [quote]I have added a notation to the article on the Carthusian Nuns to reflect that, at the time the article was published, the article was true in its assessment of the nuns' way of life and that the nuns, at the present time, have adopted a lifestyle identical to that of the monks. I believe the first house of nuns to "adopt" the more solitary way of life was della Trinita in Italy. The charterhouse of Notre Dame in France is a relatively new foundation.[/quote] This is very interesting .. yeah the Charterhouse of the Trinity in Italy was founded in 1996, Notre Dame in 1978. Here's a map with information on all the houses from the Slovenian site: [url="http://www.kartuzija-pleterje.si/ang/zemljevid.htm"]http://www.kartuzija-pleterje.si/ang/zemljevid.htm[/url] I'm not sure when the Srs of Bethlehem adopted the way of life of the Carthusians, but they definitely have a similar schedule to the monks, only that they do not have the Office and meditation in the middle of the night, though the Carthusian Nuns do. Edited January 2, 2007 by Margaret Clare
Emile James Posted January 2, 2007 Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1154214' date='Jan 1 2007, 08:58 PM'] Okay, the author of this site sent me another message: This is very interesting .. yeah the Charterhouse of the Trinity in Italy was founded in 1996, Notre Dame in 1978. Here's a map with information on all the houses from the Slovenian site: [url="http://www.kartuzija-pleterje.si/ang/zemljevid.htm"]http://www.kartuzija-pleterje.si/ang/zemljevid.htm[/url] I'm not sure when the Srs of Bethlehem adopted the way of life of the Carthusians, but they definitely have a similar schedule to the monks, only that they do not have the Office and meditation in the middle of the night, though the Carthusian Nuns do. [/quote] Glory to Jesus Christ! well if a Bethlehem Sister or Brother was called to rise in the middle of the night to pray an office, they could, with permission and guidance of superior/spiritual father.especially the ones who live a more eremitic life within the Community. They practice a spirit more of that of the Desert Fathers /palestinian lauras, hence more alone time, , such as Matins/ Compline in Solitude at a time that each one is called to in cell., a desert day weekly,etc. There is, like the early Desert Lauras of the east, more flexibility. ( I speak of the Brothers) This actually was a part of St Brunos foundational inspiration..from what i have read. i once met a 'complete' hermit living alone in the south French Alps (Sisteron), and after he told me he used to be at the Grande Chartreuse, i asked why he left, he said" too much time together in the Church, always together" in his exaggerated French manner....so, if one thinks as a Carthusian is not spending enough time in solitude!!! he certainly found his vocation as a hermit in the mountains! By the way has any9one seen 'Into Graet Silence"? the art film documentary on the Carthusians? i saw it In italy, but it only seems to stay in the Theatres in Toronto..never makes it out west here... By his mercy, Emile-James Edited January 2, 2007 by Emile James
HisChild Posted January 2, 2007 Posted January 2, 2007 [quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1154200' date='Jan 1 2007, 08:32 PM'] . . . The only difference I can think of now that still remains is that the nuns do not wear hairshirts, but I believe many of the Carthusian monks still do .. That's a good thing in my opinion - that the nuns don't have to wear hairshirts. [/quote] Now now. ..what's wrong with a little hair on your chest? [quote name='Emile James' post='1154246' date='Jan 1 2007, 09:39 PM'] By the way has any9one seen 'Into Graet Silence"? the art film documentary on the Carthusians? i saw it In italy, but it only seems to stay in the Theatres in Toronto..never makes it out west here... By his mercy, Emile-James [/quote] I've heard all about it. . .but of course, it'll never make it to the US. I'll wait until it is on DVD. . .hopefully it'll make it there!
Emile James Posted January 2, 2007 Posted January 2, 2007 [quote name='HisChild' post='1154264' date='Jan 1 2007, 09:51 PM'] Now now. ..what's wrong with a little hair on your chest? I've heard all about it. . .but of course, it'll never make it to the US. I'll wait until it is on DVD. . .hopefully it'll make it there! [/quote] well it has been at some film festivals in the U.S.A, i am keeping track of the release companies, for each country., i do know it played for 2 weeks in New York City last spring. "INTO GREAT SILENCE gathered attention in New York at the 35th New Directors/New Films Festival and in China at the 30th Hong Kong International Film Festival. In the coming days the film can be seen in California at the San Francisco Film Festival (up to May 4) and the Inspiration Film Festival in Santa Monica (April 28–30, 2006)." "A U.S. distribution is not closed yet" says Thorsten Schaumann, Head of Bavaria Film International, "but we are in intense talks with various companies. This is not a normal film like a lot of other movies: Being presented, quickly sold, released and quickly forgotten again. It took 20 years to create the film and it needs to be treated with a lot of care. This is why we are taking our time to find the right partner." have you seen the trailer or English website? Blessings. Emile-James
passionheart Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 [quote name='HisChild' post='1154280' date='Jan 2 2007, 01:08 AM'] Yes, I've seen the trailer AND the website [/quote] I saw the movie in the December. I thought it would be a private showing but there were a lot of people. The film is long (about 3 hrs) but I recommend the experience of seeing this movie. Since I had a friend who was a Carthusian, it was wonderful to see the life he lived. Also, the filmaker's work showed the life of the Carthusians wonderfully. This is a vibrant community with young men in it. I highly recommend the film.
HisChild Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 I'd like to see it, of course! Eventually it'll make it to DVD.
passionheart Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 [quote name='HisChild' post='1154953' date='Jan 2 2007, 09:34 PM'] I'd like to see it, of course! Eventually it'll make it to DVD. [/quote] In regards to this film, you have a better experience of the film if you see in the theatres. I don't know if you can drawn into the community, the landscape and the silence through the DVD. Now of course, if you aren't area that will show the movie by all means go DVD but in truth it would be better on the big screen.
HisChild Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Well I haven't seen any showings for it around here. ..
Chiquitunga Posted January 3, 2007 Author Posted January 3, 2007 (edited) Aww ... my pictures of the Carthusian nuns aren't showing up today. They looked beautiful yesterday, and were pretty big. Here's where I got them: [url="http://www.angelfire.com/planet/morimond/charterhouse/order5.html"]http://www.angelfire.com/planet/morimond/c...use/order5.html[/url] This is the article from the Catholic Encyclopedia published in 1908, that discribed the life of the nuns at that time. But more recently, they've adopted the same way of life as the monks, with hermitages and as much silence and solitude. Edited January 3, 2007 by Margaret Clare
Chiquitunga Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 [quote name='Emile James' post='1154246' date='Jan 1 2007, 11:39 PM'] Glory to Jesus Christ! well if a Bethlehem Sister or Brother was called to rise in the middle of the night to pray an office, they could, with permission and guidance of superior/spiritual father.especially the ones who live a more eremitic life within the Community. [/quote]Thanks, Emile James, for sharing this! I did not realize that. [quote]They practice a spirit more of that of the Desert Fathers /palestinian lauras, hence more alone time, , such as Matins/ Compline in Solitude at a time that each one is called to in cell., a desert day weekly,etc. There is, like the early Desert Lauras of the east, more flexibility. ( I speak of the Brothers) This actually was a part of St Brunos foundational inspiration..from what i have read.[/quote]Don't the Carthusians also practice this spirit of the Desert Fathers? Or is there less emphasis on the Eastern Fathers and the Lauras in the Carthusians than the Monastic Family of Bethlehem? I think it's really great how the Monastic Family of Bethlehem has both Eastern and Western traditions. I really believe that they play a big part in God's plan to unite the Orthodox and Catholic Church (though I'm very well aware of all the Byzantine, and Eastern rite Catholics - but I mean the Eastern Orthodox Church). Sr. Marie D'Air at Les Montsvoirons told me that the Holy Father, JP II at the time, particularly praised their uniting both traditions into their order. [quote]i once met a 'complete' hermit living alone in the south French Alps (Sisteron), and after he told me he used to be at the Grande Chartreuse, i asked why he left, he said" too much time together in the Church, always together" in his exaggerated French manner....so, if one thinks as a Carthusian is not spending enough time in solitude!!! he certainly found his vocation as a hermit in the mountains! [/quote]Wow .. now that's one thing I actually don't feel called to, because I feel such a need to have Superiors and a set way of life, and the support of a community all striving for the same thing together. This is really the spirit of Bethlehem, and the Carthusians I believe. But particularly the Srs of Bethlehem, which I know much more about, stress the importance of community and that they are not hermits, though they pass the greater amount of their time in the solitude of their hermitages, and have recreation only on Sundays, and some Solemnities of course, like Christmas. Often their signature after letters they've written to me are, "In a deep communion of Love" But regarding becoming a total recluse, I feel I would never be able to perservere in that state - that's just me. I know I need structure and others to help stay on task and disciplined. Also I would feel safer under obedience to someone other than myself. But to those whom Jesus truly calls to this state, He gives the necessary grace, and they usually still have a spiritual father somewhere whom they can see every once and a while.[quote]By the way has anyone seen 'Into Great Silence"? the art film documentary on the Carthusians? i saw it In italy, but it only seems to stay in the Theatres in Toronto..never makes it out west here... By his mercy, Emile-James[/quote]I've only just heard of it recently and visited their website .. [url="http://www.diegrossestille.de/english/"]http://www.diegrossestille.de/english/[/url] I see there is a soundtrack too, I wonder what the soundtrack would be like .. [quote]from the film's description "Silence. Repitition. Rhythm. The film is an austere, next to silent meditation on monastic life in a very pure form. No music except the chants in the monastery, no interviews, no commentaries, no extra material ... "[/quote] Oh, it must be the chants ..
TeresaAvila Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 OH this is such a beautiful community, How wonderful 6 postulants!! I will keep them and their building project in my prayers! [quote name='Emile James' post='1153714' date='Jan 1 2007, 03:31 PM'] ooooooooooooooooo, my favourite Cistercian Nuns, in the USA, in Wisconsin.... [url="http://www.nunocist.org/index.html"]http://www.nunocist.org/index.html[/url] [img]http://www.nunocist.org/img359.jpg[/img] The present monastery property was assessed six years ago for more than $2 million, said Sr. Roberta. "We have had some inquiries, but since we just do not know when we can break ground, we have let people know that we cannot sell," she said. With the addition of six postulants in only five months, Sr. Roberta believes the community’s growth is part of God’s plan. “I look at this (proposed) big monastery, and everybody says, ‘Oh, it’s impossible. It’s too big of a project,’ and I say if God wants that to happen, it’s going to happen. It will happen in his time,” she said. “Every Sister over here knows it’s going to happen, simply because (God) wouldn’t be sending us women for which there is no room if he wasn’t going to provide the room.” Cistercians on the Web To learn more about the Valley of Our Lady Monastery and the Cistercian nuns, visit their Web site. To view audio slideshows of the nuns at work and at prayer, go to the Catholic Herald's online slideshows link. [url="http://www.chnonline.org/slideshows/cistercians1/index.html"]http://www.chnonline.org/slideshows/cistercians1/index.html[/url] [/quote]
Emile James Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 [quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1155721' date='Jan 3 2007, 09:25 PM'] Thanks, Emile James, for sharing this! I did not realize that. Don't the Carthusians also practice this spirit of the Desert Fathers? Or is there less emphasis on the Eastern Fathers and the Lauras in the Carthusians than the Monastic Family of Bethlehem? i've only just heard of it recently and visited their website .. [url="http://www.diegrossestille.de/english/"]http://www.diegrossestille.de/english/[/url] I see there is a soundtrack too, I wonder what the soundtrack would be like .. Oh, it must be the chants .. [/quote] "Into Great Silence", German/Dutch Trailer [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCKBIPp6eg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCKBIPp6eg[/url] [url="http://www.mongrelmedia.com/press/IntoGreatSilence/index.html"]http://www.mongrelmedia.com/press/IntoGrea...ence/index.html[/url] and in this pdf file is a very interesting interview, about the film and the Carthusians, from the producer [url="http://www.mongrelmedia.com/press/IntoGreatSilence/press_kit.pdf"]http://www.mongrelmedia.com/press/IntoGrea...e/press_kit.pdf[/url] Glory to Jesus Christ!
Chiquitunga Posted January 5, 2007 Author Posted January 5, 2007 I just wanted to be sure to post the link to the Sisters of Bethlehem thread here, as they are very much related.[center][url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=56995"]Sisters of Bethlehem in Livingston Manor, NY[/url][/center]
Emile James Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 [quote name='Emile James' post='1155948' date='Jan 4 2007, 09:14 AM'] "Into Great Silence", German/Dutch Trailer [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCKBIPp6eg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCKBIPp6eg[/url] [url="http://www.mongrelmedia.com/press/IntoGreatSilence/index.html"]http://www.mongrelmedia.com/press/IntoGrea...ence/index.html[/url] and in this pdf file is a very interesting interview, about the film and the Carthusians, from the producer [url="http://www.mongrelmedia.com/press/IntoGreatSilence/press_kit.pdf"]http://www.mongrelmedia.com/press/IntoGrea...e/press_kit.pdf[/url] Glory to Jesus Christ! [/quote] Great hiking shot, looking down on the Grande Chartreuse (Carthusian Monastery) French Alps..nestled down amongst the mountains large! pic.. [url="http://lear.inrialpes.fr/people/douze/photo/grenoble4/57.jpg"]http://lear.inrialpes.fr/people/douze/photo/grenoble4/57.jpg[/url]
Chiquitunga Posted January 9, 2007 Author Posted January 9, 2007 Everytime I come here, I always see that at least one of the images I tried to post here from that angelfire site, isn't showing up, so I'm going to try again using [url="http://imageshack.us"]http://imageshack.us[/url] . I love these pictures. I'm pretty sure they're from the monastery in Spain. [center][img]http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5918/nun3ajo6.jpg[/img][/center] [center][img]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4100/nun2km1.jpg[/img][/center]
HisChild Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Aren't the Euro monasteries so beautiful? Now I just need to learn a foreign language, become fluent and then go apply some place. LOL Is that as vain as choosing a community for its habit? Seriously, though. . .aren't these old brick monasteries and chapels just amazing?
Chiquitunga Posted January 9, 2007 Author Posted January 9, 2007 (edited) Edited January 9, 2007 by Margaret Clare
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