A New Crusade

[N/A Gone]

As the only phatmasser to ever shoot somebody(s) (hopefully) let me say that you do not want to promote war as an intital option.

the problem with this topic is a lack of knowledge on the crusades. Remember, the church was not fighting a war over theology. The church in her state was the State. She was the civic policitcal power in charge of lower europe which was getting raided from the moor and muslim worlds. As a political power she acted. But it was in defense of the political state. Now, the church is not a civic power,thus she does not carry the civic burden of war defense.

Dr.Cavenaugh of St.thomas wrote a great book called "Theopolitical Imagination"and he covers this topic.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1064832' date='Sep 17 2006, 03:22 AM']
Benedict's remarks weren't anything more than a proclamation of Truth. They were not a call to arms, but rather a call for the radical Muslims to lay down theirs.
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Aye, I doubt very much the Church will ever condone any war after the crusades…
in fact it was the disastrous unintended side-effects of the crusades that has lead the church to never officially condone any war since that time.

Be that as it may – the Islamofascists DO see this as a holy war, like it or not.
I’m fighting, with my rosary beads… we all should.

[rkwright]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1064826' date='Sep 17 2006, 02:13 AM']
aalph,

I wasn't speaking of anyone personally, certainly not you. Just to clarify.

It's just the whole attitude of even bringing up a crusade that irks me to no end.

What we need now is firm faith and charity in response to our enemies. We need to get this idea out of our head that violence between Christians and Muslims will solve our problems.

We need what the early martyrs had in the face of paganism. The witness of love incarnate in Jesus Christ. The Church will always triumph in the end, but if we do it the right way, it will be a lot smoother. The Israelites wanted to do things their way, so they wandered 40 years in the desert before they got to the promised land.
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Era, didn't mean to offend you with this topic. I whole heartedly agree with you, but reading through the other topic I was interested in what the phatmassers were thinking.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1064919' date='Sep 17 2006, 04:36 AM']
Just some figures to ponder:

Including reserves and paramilitary forces the largest Muslim military is that of Iran at 1,770,000 troops. Pakistan is probably in second place at 1,449,000.

At first glance these types of figures might be intimidating but remember that Pakistan's worst enemy is India who has 3,773,300 troops, far more than Iran and Pakistan combined.

Israel has some 576,000, and Italy another 438,800. I remember seeing plenty of Brazilians at WYD in Rome which calls to mind the fact that they have an impressive 1,687,600 troops at their disposal.

Finally the U.S. forces (active, reserve and paramilitary) comes in around 2,369,239 strong.
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Pakistan has a nuke though...

Edited September 17, 2006 by thedude

[ruso]

[quote name='thedude' post='1064808' date='Sep 17 2006, 08:51 AM']
Do you disagree with the poll results?
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Me yes, i was a soldier (Served in the army was obligatory in Spain). Various friends were in the war of Bosnia, they counted me the atrocities committed for all (catholics, orthodox and muslims) with the religion as excuse.

[Eutychus]

[quote] What we need now is firm faith and charity in response to our enemies. We need to get this idea out of our head that violence between Christians and Muslims will solve our problems.[/quote]

Uh.....kind sir. They have declared WAR ON YOU, are you volunteering to the be Catholic Neville Chamberlin?

[img]http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2002/10/14/neville-chamberlain.jpg[/img]

[Justified Saint]

So much for that whole "blood of the martyrs" thing.

Is it not interesting the striking similarities between the fundamentalists of different religions who advocate a recourse to violence?

[Budge]

theres a difference between a CRUSADE and going to pillage and conquer and LEGITIMATE DEFENSE.

I support trying to convert people over conquering them.

Defense is another matter.

[Fulton Sheen Warrior]

+JMJ+

Yeah.... we definitley need a Crusade.

Here is my weapon of [url="http://members.aol.com/lazarus26/rosary.jpg"]choice[/url]:

Edited September 17, 2006 by Fulton Sheen Warrior

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Rick777' post='1064906' date='Sep 17 2006, 04:11 AM']
I'm not saying that the UN isn't without issues, I'm saying that Muslims do have a big effect on us...
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you are right - they do... ESP IN THE U.N.
[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=55387"]check this topic HERE: "farewell to the United Nations?"[/url]

This details how our enemies are easily hijacking the UN to bend it to their Islamofascist ideals
Anyone who claims there is no world war in the face of the facts in the global struggle is ignorant or miss-informed.

[Era Might]

[quote name='rkwright' post='1065075' date='Sep 17 2006, 12:45 PM']Era, didn't mean to offend you with this topic. I whole heartedly agree with you, but reading through the other topic I was interested in what the phatmassers were thinking.[/quote]
No offense taken. I've just been frustrated with this topic for a while now and it kind of boiled over for me this week after some stuff I heard on the radio.

'Tis all good.

I shouldn't have taken it out on everyone else.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1065203' date='Sep 17 2006, 04:28 PM']
No offense taken. I've just been frustrated with this topic for a while now and it kind of boiled over for me this week after some stuff I heard on the radio.

'Tis all good.

I shouldn't have taken it out on everyone else.
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Peace, Era
I love you, brother

These are difficult times – and these days promise to grow more difficult …
Further confusion and chaos are in quiet wait …right from left will be a blur
Up from down will be the only logic – up to freedom and down to chains

Let us keep our hand on our rosaries … I promise you – this is important.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1064993' date='Sep 17 2006, 09:29 AM']
As the only phatmasser to ever shoot somebody(s) (hopefully) let me say that you do not want to promote war as an intital option.
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I think everybody on both sides of this debate would agree with this.

[Budge]

Agree with you too...