Revival

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1097630' date='Oct 21 2006, 06:30 AM']

To put this into context, one of my favorite churches { I do not attend there, but listen weekly on the internet to the sunday early service } is Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale. Every two months, they have open air baptisms in the ocean. They generally have over 300 per session or 1800 a year. Given where they are, I would assume that 75% of them were formerly Catholic Church, but that is only a guess. My mid sized church, has four welcoming new member sessions a year, they are averaging 30 per class, or 120 a year {adults} and I would guess that about 1/2 are former Roman Catholics.

I only put these numbers out, to show that REVIVAL within the Catholic Church is desperately needed. And getting all excited about a few new faces coming in { that were not born Catholic Church} is premature.

Revival comes like a wildfire, it is contageous, and for those that are hidebound, it is threatening too.
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If they are former catholics then the baptism is simply playing in the water, since there were baptised already. We do our RCIA converts in a group every year as a diocese, and we have so many converts we have to fill the cathedral on two separate Sundays, since it only seats 2000 at a time.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1098185' date='Oct 22 2006, 01:56 AM']
If they are former catholics then the baptism is simply playing in the water, since there were baptised already. We do our RCIA converts in a group every year as a diocese, and we have so many converts we have to fill the cathedral on two separate Sundays, since it only seats 2000 at a time.
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It's wonderful to see so many coming to the light of Christ!

Eutychus and everyone else, the number of converts to or from Catholicism really does not prove or disprove its accuracy. We know that people joined even in the Apostles' time for the wrong reasons without any faith; we know that people left even in the Apostles' time because they did not believe.

These statistics may show great holiness on the part of those joining the Church and personal, albeit misguided, conviction and integrity on the part of those leaving the Church, but they do not prove anything necessarily except that our human nature is weak and that God living in us accomplishes all our goodness.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1097991' date='Oct 21 2006, 07:35 PM']
Only a myopic would say that.

Let's see here. We have poor believers, the Holy Spirit moves them, they are Born Again, they join a church that expects THREE sessions a week, they start tithing for real, they get baptised and join a bible study program....

And that, to the Catholic Church is "Falling Away" at the end times?

May I suggest that the CEO ROMAN CATHOLIC { Christmas and Easter } is the one that has fallen away, not the on fire, spirit filled, gung ho new bible believing Christians.
[/quote]At least my eyes are open enough to be able to look around. You've (or perhaps Budge. If so I apologize.) implied the coming of the end times by attempting to show that people were falling away from your faith, but according to you, they are leaving the Catholic faith at a much higher rate, thus a GREATER falling away than the one you claim is indicative of the end times.

Gotta admit, whether on purpose or accident, the "Myopic" making fun of my screen name thing was kind of funny. I'm not insulted, just impressed by the wit of it, intentional or otherwise.