Black Masses

[electricdisk]

If the devil mocks and despises all that is holy, why would witches hold 'black masses' ----???

Would this be considered the opposite of a 'mass" ?

Conversely, if a black mass is the ultimate unholy sacrifice and ritual to satan, what would be considered the ultimate holy gift or sacrifice to God?

-MLFG

[hyperdulia again]

a black mass requires a validly ordained catholic/orthodox priest or a stolen consecrated host. they desecrate the hosts and after they're done, they offer the battered body of our lord to satan.

[IXpenguin21]

the supreme sacrifice is the Mass.

[IcePrincessKRS]

the supreme sacrifice is the Mass.

Amen. :)

[Donna]

Why?

Because the enemy inverts everything holy.

The Black Mass is said backwards (it is a Tridentine Mass which is said), beginning with "The Last Gospel", working backwadrs from there to the Dismissal, the last blessing, the Post Communion, the Communion, the "Ecce Agnus Dei," the priest's Communion, the "Agnus Dei" and so on.

Another reason why the strict rules of the old rite are needed: it is much harder for communicants to steal the Sacred Host when they are given it by the priest, accompanied by server who holds the paten below the communicant's chin, and the communicant is kneeling at the rail, with kneeling folks all around, and the big men posted sentinel at the back of the church to make sure as can be that no one bolts out of the church for a wrong reason, with the Sacred Host.

[TABBY]

a black mass requires a validly ordained catholic/orthodox priest or a stolen consecrated host. they desecrate the hosts and after they're done, they offer the battered body of our lord to satan.

That makes me want to cry....how tasteless that is....

[Anna]

Satan seeks to set himself up as a god, therefore, he must get his followers to reject the One True God. They must reject the sacred, and adore the profane.

This is the action required in a black mass, or satan worship.

Crucifixes and other sacred objects are also defiled by satan worshippers, and I believe a blood offering must be made to satan as well, with the worshippers drinking the blood in order to receive some "power."

Odd, though...

Even by rejecting the Holy Mass, committing sacrilege against the Most Holy Eucharist, defiling sacred objects, and generally rejecting all these things, they are, in a sense, admitting and recognizing that there is One True, All-Holy God, Who dwells among us, and Who left us with a Sacred Ritual to render Him proper honor.

Obviously, Satan knows this, and desires that honor for himself.

Pax Christi. <><

[willguy]

For what its worth:

I think its interesting that there is a practice of Black Masses, but not Black Evangelical Worship Services. Just my $.02

[Bruce S]

If anyone really cares about this....

Malachai Martin, Windswept House. Jesuit, worked IN the Vatican. A leading expert in Exorcisms.

Go to Amazon, buy it, the man is an amazing author.

It is a "fictional account" of things that most likely really happened, but the use of "fiction" allowed for a story to be told that most who don't follow the underbelly of the world will never learn about.

I suggest every Catholic, get and read it.

Fascinating book, on many levels. He is a great read.

[Anna]

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?

No black 'Tent Revivals'?

[mp15]

And whom do they call upon when an exorcism is needed I wonder?

Edited January 12, 2004 by mp15

[Bruce S]

Ah...

LOVE THAT topic, one of my FAVORITES....

Honest.

Go see who was empowered to drive out demons.

It is the thing most often commanded of those doing evangelism. I think Jesus dealt with demons and gave commands concerning them ... [?] from memory....

70 times?

See if you can see what the DIRECTIONS were for doing that.

[frozencell]

For what its worth:

I think its interesting that there is a practice of Black Masses, but not Black Evangelical Worship Services. Just my $.02

This very thought crossed my mind right before I read your post!!!!! :D :rolling:

[frozencell]

Here is some clarification on the "black mass". It's the actual "mass" instructions, so if you are faint of heart you may want to aviod this since it's very obscenen and disgraceful.

http://www.churchofsatan.org/recruc.html

May God deal with these poor lost souls in His due time.

[Jake Huether]

Wow! I almost suphicated reading it. That's some heavy HEAVY spiritual stuff.

I would actually recommend against even looking at that - I could actually feal the evil spirit of that site.

Please pray for them. Offer your day for them. They need us most!

[Jake Huether]

For what its worth:

I think its interesting that there is a practice of Black Masses, but not Black Evangelical Worship Services. Just my $.02

An excelent observation!

In fact, I've always wondered this.

If we are the whore of bab... and worship satan... yadayada - you know the rest.

Why would actual satanists steal our stuff to desicrate it?

I mean, if we're for them, why are they against us.

And even MORE interesting is that it is apearant that we are the ONLY threat to them.

I will start another thread to see what our Protestant brothers say. I wonder if they're harrassed like us...

[Anna]

Malachai Martin, Windswept House. Jesuit, worked IN the Vatican. A leading expert in Exorcisms.

I don't know that Malachi Martin is a leading expert in exorcisms.

I've read a couple of his books.

He's kinda "out there."

Here's what Brother Ignatius Mary of

While Hostage to the Devil is interesting in its case histories, some of the theology of exorcism postulated by Mr. Martin is dubious at best. His concept that a priest MUST "clash" personally between his personality and the devil's is ridiculous from what I understand. He makes is a personal struggle between the priest and the devil, rather then the priest representing the Church and praying in the name of the Church.

I have a copy of the old Rite of Exorcism (a new Rite was promulgated recently). No where in that Rite does it mention a "clash". To me this smacks of a priestly version in solemn exorcism of what priests and laity do outside of a formal exorcism in the great ego of "I" in the unnecessary imprecatory language. The "clash" is very ego-oriented.

Mr. Martin has, over the years until his death a year or two ago, proved himself to be quite untrustworthy. His style of "journalism", if it can be called that, is the yellow journalism of the National Inquirer type tabloids.

He presents what he says are facts and then promptly NEVER provides any real evidence to support his allegations.

I heard him in an interview one time respond to why he did not simply write a non-fiction book instead of these novels. His response was right out of the con-artist bible.

He said that he writes "fact-ion" -- part fact and part fiction. Of course he will not tells us which is which, but he will say that his novels are 80% true. He went on to add that he does this to protect the public, that somehow the public could not take it if they knew for sure these things he alleges are true.

This reminds me of the government policy spoken by a CIA official once that "if" UFO's were real they would not tell the public because the public couldn't handle it. How paternalistically patronizing.

I say HOGWASH!!!!

In Mr. Martin's case, he says his novels are 80% fact. All he does by telling us this is NOT protect us from the terrible truth that we cannot take, but fuel speculation and imagination as to what is true and what is not true.

This is a CLASSIC TEXTBOOK technique to sell books to a gullible audience.

As a former book publisher and editor I am fully aware of the techniques to market a book. Mr. Martin was a master at it.

As a result Mr. Martin caused, and is still causing even after his death, scandal in the Church and assisting people in the loss of their faith.

Mr. Martin, essentially, became a ultra-traditionalist wacko who, among his other crimes, slandered Pope John Paul II as the leader of the devil's plans to bring down the Church. Such slanders, rash judgments, and encouragment of divisiveness among the Faithful, and causing them to doubt God's promise that "hell shall never prevail against the church", is a legacy that is not of God. May God forgive him and may he rest in peace in our Father's arms.

But, because of his conspiratorial-wacko-boogie man con-artistry in selling books many of the same mentality think he was a guru of some sort. Yet I have never seen any substantive proof to most of his allegations. All I ever heard was a run around, beating around the bush, and creating a great mysterious interest in him and the subject that just coincidentally is a primary technique to sell a book.

Was he a priest? Yes, but contrary to popular opinion among his gullible groupies, the man was laicized in 1965 and there is a vatican document to prove it which I can produce a copy. That means that NOT ONLY was he released from his vows as a religious, but that he was returned to the lay state -- ergo, no longer clergy and thus not legally able to do a formal exorcism or to be called "Father", or to say Mass, or any other of the Sacraments, except in danger of death.

Once a priest, always a priest, but being clergy is not necessarily forever. A priest can be returned to the lay state which is why is it called Laicization.

God Bless,

Bro. Ignatius Mary

http://www.saint-mike.org/Apologetics/QA/A...0306290165.html

Edited January 12, 2004 by Anna

[Don John of Austria]

Its simple really good satanist are Catholics they are Just REALLY BAD ONES. I have come face to face with formal Satanism on a couple of occasions , the scariest ones are all essentially orthodox catholics in there beilief systems-- they just chose the other side. In my experiance they don't deny Christ is part of the Trinity, or the Transubstantiation or anything they simply have chosen to go to war with God. Those with less formal adherance to Catholic doctrine, I guess the protestants of the Satanic world, are much less ( in my experiance) commited to the Satanic position, and are more likely to try to justify it as okay, whereas the "catholic" Satanist are much more frank about having chosen it as a path to power.

[hyperdulia again]

I respect them. Better than all the Satan Worshipping Christans do.

[Don John of Austria]

I respect them. Better than all the Satan Worshipping Christans do.

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