When Does A Catholic Become An Ex-catholic?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1103162' date='Oct 28 2006, 12:28 PM']
You didnt answer my question.
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I wasn't trying to. I was referring to the earlier part of your post.

[quote]Actually Ill take the sinful cafeteria Catholic who still has a heart [and WON'T defend things like the Inquisition] over the gung-ho Pious Papal crusader who thinks they were the best thing since sliced bread. I believe the closest one becomes to any false religion the darker it turns one's heart. I know the majority of the people in the pews were just like I was, not knowing Biblical truths, being led down a foggy maze without the light of God's Word.

So Ill ask the question again in different way..

Catholic A rejects purgatory...are they still Catholic?[/quote]

[b]CCC 2089:[/b]

[i]Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."[/i]

If they obstinately doubt or deny the truth of the Church after having been baptized, yes, they are heretics, but this implies that a person knows what the Church teaches and that the Church has the authority to teach it, and so one can't simply judge in any case.

[Budge]

Actually the cafeteria Catholic who still has a heart and whose conscience hasnt been seared, {I consider those who defend things like the Inquisitions definitely showing a sign of a seared conscience} ARE more open to the gospel. You are correct about that.

There are some Catholics Ive met who are more Protestants in Catholic garb who really believe more as Christians then Catholics. I know those folks are out there too.

I know for a fact that the online Catholic world does not match that of the normal Catholic in the pews. In fact even though I am online here quite a bit, I know there is a world of difference between the erudite world of Catholic bloggers, message boards, clergy and Papal defenders and the average Joe and Mary Catholic in the pews.

When I witness to Catholics IRL, I dont care about having them become Baptists or even leaving the Catholic Church-I figure that will be the Holy Spirits doing, it even took me a few months to finally make the first steps out the door. What I care about is that they learn the gospel and know the true good news of the gospel and truth faith in Jesus Christ, not putting any trust in any religious system to save them {I tell the same thing to Mormons I encounter}

You may call that a lie, or even the other Biblical things I may share with them....but it is truth.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1103173' date='Oct 28 2006, 12:38 PM']
There are some Catholics Ive met who are more Protestants in Catholic garb who really believe more as Christians then Catholics. I know those folks are out there too.
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You wouldn't know. You don't even know what Catholics believe.

[Budge]

[quote]You don't even know what Catholics believe.[/quote]

Considering unlike most of the pew Catholics Ive actually read most of the CCC, and dozens of encyclicals.....

I think I know better then most of the Catholics themselves.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1103182' date='Oct 28 2006, 12:45 PM']
Considering unlike most of the pew Catholics Ive actually read most of the CCC, and dozens of encyclicals.....

I think I know better then most of the Catholics themselves.
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Your posts don't reflect it. 90% of your accusations against the Church are dead wrong from the start, the other 10% are misunderstandings (on your part) of the applications of Catholic doctrine.

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='Budge' post='1103173' date='Oct 28 2006, 09:38 AM']
Actually the cafeteria Catholic who still [b]has a heart [/b]and whose conscience hasnt been seared, {I consider those who defend things like the Inquisitions definitely showing a sign of a seared conscience} ARE more open to the gospel. You are correct about that.


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[quote]The Bible itself says the heart is a decietful thing.[/quote]

So a Catholic has to be deceived into believing Budge's version of the Gospel...

[Socrates]

[quote name='Budge' post='1103182' date='Oct 28 2006, 10:45 AM']
Considering unlike most of the pew Catholics Ive actually read most of the CCC, and dozens of encyclicals.....

I think I know better then most of the Catholics themselves.
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Your posts show otherwise.

[Winchester]

[quote]Actually the cafeteria Catholic who still has a heart and whose conscience hasnt been seared, {I consider those who defend things like the Inquisitions definitely showing a sign of a seared conscience} ARE more open to the gospel. You are correct about that.[/quote]


You're still on about something you've made up in your head.

Or you're a troll.

[Budge]

Honestly people who defend the Inquisition creep me out.

[Winchester]

That's because you've made no attempt to read the posts. You act as though there was no good in the various inquisitions.

You're being a fool. Not the fun kind who by satire exposes truth, but the sad kind, who by passing the truth destroys widsom.

[Guest T-Bone]

People who have to deceive others into thier way of thinking creep [i]me[/i] out.

[Budge]

[quote]That's because you've made no attempt to read the posts. [b]You act as though there was no good in the various inquisitions.[/b][/quote]

There wasnt.

[Winchester]

Then you don't know history.

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='Budge' post='1103690' date='Oct 28 2006, 10:53 PM']
Honestly people who defend the Inquisition creep me out.
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You can't talk about "the Inquisition" as one thing. There's a Spanish variety, with a different motivation, direction, and leadership than the Italian variety. And the Italian inquisition is different from the various inquisitorial trials that were held from the 13th century on. Each of these varied in its use of torture, its leniency, and its impact on the people around it. It's a complicated issue that cannot simply be boiled down to "Inquisition BAD!"

[Winchester]

No one has really answered the question.

To become an ex-Catholic, you must run widdershins around an empty shot glass while holding the finger bone of Margaret Murray in your left (sinister) hand. You must play Chuck Mangione music very loudly. Once you've been arrested and put in chemical restraints, you are no longer Catholic.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='Budge' post='1103162' date='Oct 28 2006, 11:28 AM']

I know the majority of the people in the pews were just like I was, not knowing Biblical truths, being led down a foggy maze without the light of God's Word.
[/quote] ROTFL Tell me, please, Budge, which of the 33,000+ conflicting and competing Protestant denominations, all of them based on the very same 66-book incomplete version of the Bible, all disagreeing with every other denomination in at least one doctrine and/or practice, and all claiming to teach the "truth" did you fall for? It's obvious from your postings here that you didn't know or understand the Catholic Faith, which made you an easy target.

Talk about a foggy maze! Led by a black-out light! Whose Bible? Which canon? Let me know which Bible is the "true" Word of God.

[url="http://www.gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/canons.stm"]http://www.gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/canons.stm[/url]

I read that you're a Baptist? Which of the more than 250 kinds of Baptist are you?

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Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!

[Budge]

The 33,000 number was long ago disproven.

That was even posted on this board some weeks ago.

[quote]Which of the more than 250 kinds of Baptist are you?[/quote]

Who cares?

Mar 9:38 ¶ And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='Budge' post='1104061' date='Oct 29 2006, 11:56 AM']
The 33,000 number was long ago disproven.

That was even posted on this board some weeks ago.
Who cares?

[/quote]That's right. There are waaaaaaaay more than 33,000.

Concomitant with Luther's totaly novel doctrine of Sola Scriptura is the belief that every "sincere" individual who reads the Bible will be led by the Holy Spirit to "all truth."

What was posted on the board? Your denomination? Some weeks ago, I wasn't here. Who cares? You should care, if you believe there is such a thing as objective truth.

The Baptists, who began in Amsterdam in 1607, have splintered into more than 250 denominations, all teaching different doctrines, all based on the same abbreviated Bible, all of them claiming to teach the "truth." If you count the "Independent Baptists" there is an incalculable number.

My point is: there is no Truth in Protestantism. There is only opinion. I wouldn't risk my eternal life on mere opinion.

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Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!

[Eutychus]

[quote] My point is: there is no Truth in Protestantism. There is only opinion. I wouldn't risk my eternal life on mere opinion. [/quote]

Thank you for your OPINION that protestanism is OPINION.

Shall we mark you down as speaking in circles?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1104621' date='Oct 29 2006, 11:05 PM']
Thank you for your OPINION that protestanism is OPINION.


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Its certainly a group of derivative denominations, chopped off from the roots of the Church. It has no history going back more than a few centuries except to various heretical figures, and has no authority except personal opinion to alter Scriptures or make judgements of truth. Those people still caught up in it, are entitled to prayers and truth.
Those are facts.