RC_ Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 Budge-- You, yourself admit to studying Catholicism. What does that say about you?
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1109025' date='Nov 2 2006, 05:07 PM'] Hey thats a minor thing, Youre the one who admitted studying necromancy, basically demonlogy.... Catholics have no discernment, it seems I always find one or two on Catholic boards. Dont have such an open mind your brain falls out RC. [/quote] Okay, studying necromancy as a historical phenomenon is NOT the same thing as studying necromancy to practice it. Necromancy isn't real!!!! The texts I've come across have latin grammar errors and spelling errors in them. It's almost comical that they purport to be summoning a dark spirit and they can't even spell the summoning spell properly. And then on top of that, none of the sources can agree on the names of the demons. Some historians theorize necromancy was the ouija board of the middle ages - used only for entertainment. I'm not so sure, but it's not real!
Budge Posted November 2, 2006 Author Posted November 2, 2006 Howd you choose that user name? [quote]The Chief Black Eunuch (Kizlar Agha) The Kizlar Agha was the third highest-ranking officer of the empire, after the Sultan and the Grand Vizier (Chief Minister). He was the commander of the baltaci corps (or halberdiers - part of the imperial army). His position was a pasha (general) of three tails (tails referring to peacock tails, and the most number of tails permitted being four and worn by the Sultan). He could approach the Sultan at any time, and functioned as the private messenger between the Sultan and the Grand Vizier. He was the most important link between the Sultan and the Valide Sultan (mother of the Sultan). The Kizlar Agha led the new odalisque to the Sultan's bedchamber, and was the only "man" who could enter the harem should there have been any nocturnal emergencies. His duties were to protect the women, to provide and purchase the necessary odalisques for the harem, to oversee the promotion of the women (usually after the death of a higher-ranking kadin) and eunuchs. He acted as a witness for the Sultan's marriage, birth ceremonies, and arranged all the royal ceremonial events, such as circumcision parties, weddings, and fêtes. He also delivered sentence to harem women accused of crimes, taking the guilty women to the executioner to be placed into sacks and drowned in the Bosphorus which lay outside the Topkapi Palace. [/quote]
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1109034' date='Nov 2 2006, 05:13 PM'] Howd you choose that user name? [/quote] I used to be a boy, so since I'm anatomically a eunuch and I like the Ottoman empire, it seemed appropriate.
Aloysius Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 oi ve let's not get into this... have you noticed, budge, that Kizlar is an athiest? probably not, everyone who disagrees with your position is under the mind control of the vatican to you I suppose...
Budge Posted November 2, 2006 Author Posted November 2, 2006 Hey Im online, he could be a Catholic sockpuppet for all I know... the claims of studying necromancy made up.... Not everyday you meet a medieval historian with a speciality in Burning at the Stake 101 and Calling up Demons Medieval Style 102. This board really is a place of darkness.
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1109045' date='Nov 2 2006, 05:20 PM'] Hey Im online, he could be a Catholic sockpuppet for all I know... the claims of studying necromancy made up.... Not everyday you meet a medieval historian with a speciality in Burning at the Stake 101 and Calling up Demons Medieval Style 102. This board really is a place of darkness. [/quote] I'm not a "he" I'm a she. My name is Alina. Nice to meet you.
Budge Posted November 2, 2006 Author Posted November 2, 2006 Why would a girl call herself a BLACK EUNUCH? Weird. I didnt know they let people specialize in demonology at university... this must be a new California thing... I think you need some big time Bible study!
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1109057' date='Nov 2 2006, 05:29 PM'] Why would a girl call herself a BLACK EUNUCH? Weird. I didnt know they let people specialize in demonology at university... this must be a new California thing... I think you need some big time Bible study! [/quote] I have a degree in medieval studies. I happened to enjoy coursework in medieval islam, medieval iberia, and medieval magic and alchemy. All of those are connected by the way as alchemy was brought to Spain by the muslims and from there translated into latin and brought in the rest of Europe. And it was the study of alchemy and islamic magic that later brought about full fledged high medieval necromancy. So, it makes a bit of logical sense then.
RC_ Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1109057' date='Nov 2 2006, 05:29 PM'] Why would a girl call herself a BLACK EUNUCH? Weird. [/quote] Why would a man call himself a steak? Oh...yeah...its called a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_name_%28computing%29"]screen name[/url]. Look it up sometime.
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 No, no, Budge is right. I probably should have used Kapi Agha. :
Aloysius Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 Budge, there's a whole can of transgendered worms that your conjuring up there for which another thread could be started in which the Catholics would be on your side (though I don't know that Kizlar would want to argue it, that's up to Kizlar) you seem to enjoy condemning us for the company we keep and the aspects of history that they study.. this is very very strange indeed. would you call the places where Jesus dined with tax collectors places of darkness? even less should you call a place where we accept folks who study the way medieval people understood demons a place of darkness.
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1109080' date='Nov 2 2006, 05:42 PM'] Budge, there's a whole can of transgendered worms that your conjuring up there for which another thread could be started in which the Catholics would be on your side (though I don't know that Kizlar would want to argue it, that's up to Kizlar) you seem to enjoy condemning us for the company we keep and the aspects of history that they study.. this is very very strange indeed. would you call the places where Jesus dined with tax collectors places of darkness? even less should you call a place where we accept folks who study the way medieval people understood demons a place of darkness. [/quote] The Catholics as a whole wouldn't be against me - just the ones who don't get it. Unfortunately, that's most of them.
Justified Saint Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 Fundamentalists are notoriously insulated. I wonder if Budge has ever had a conversation with the people she condemns.
Budge Posted November 2, 2006 Author Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) [quote] I have a degree in medieval studies. I happened to enjoy coursework in medieval islam, medieval iberia, and medieval magic and alchemy. All of those are connected by the way as alchemy was brought to Spain by the muslims and from there translated into latin and brought in the rest of Europe. [b]And it was the study of alchemy and islamic magic that later brought about full fledged high medieval necromancy[/b]. So, it makes a bit of logical sense then.[/quote] Thanks for laying it all out. You just have helped cement what I suspected. I know there is no normal American university that teaches people necromancy and MAGIC, even ones with Medieval studies programs, you may find one occasional class or seminar but thats it. You are into some really strange stuff dear.... JS. I used to be a UU Theosophist remember? {there goes your claim of fundie isolation} Catholics always have one or two occultists present on their boards they lack the discernment to even notice. [quote]you seem to enjoy condemning us for the company we keep and the aspects of history that they study.. this is very very strange indeed. would you call the places where Jesus dined with tax collectors places of darkness? even less should you call a place where we accept folks who study the way medieval people understood demons a place of darkness.[/quote] I dine with all sorts of people, but I wouldnt be embracing their love of demonology or saying thats great, Study more MAGIC! Edited November 2, 2006 by Budge
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1109152' date='Nov 2 2006, 06:27 PM'] Thanks for laying it all out. You just have helped cement what I suspected. I know there is no normal American university that teaches people necromancy and MAGIC, even ones with Medieval studies programs, you may find one occasional class or seminar but thats it. You are into some really strange stuff dear.... JS. I used to be a UU Theosophist remember? {there goes your claim of fundie isolation} Catholics always have one or two occultists present on their boards they lack the discernment to even notice. I dine with all sorts of people, but I wouldnt be embracing their love of demonology or saying thats great, Study more MAGIC! [/quote] UCSB offered a course in the spring of 2006 called "Witchcraft and Heresy." It was a seminar class which I took under professor Carol Lansing. It's number was History 102CL. Unfortunately, I can't link you on the History Department website because they clean it off every year for the new courses. But, I still have my reader, with all sorts of lovely information on witchcraft. Anyway, UCSB is a major institution with a student body of around 30,000. It has won four nobel prizes in the last ten years in the sciences. It's perfectly normal.
cmotherofpirl Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 Either get back to the topic otr the thread is closed.
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1109173' date='Nov 2 2006, 06:35 PM'] Either get back to the topic otr the thread is closed. [/quote] Well, I think I've conclusively shown that the inquisition is not something that can be broadly defined or sweepingly condemned without first analyzing the niceities of medieval catholic theology. Budge, of course, is more concerned with whether or not I worship my avatar. So, I think you can close it. Edited November 2, 2006 by KizlarAgha
Kosh Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 please do, though I've gotta admit watching two atheists battle it out over a username is quite amusing.
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