KizlarAgha Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1105939' date='Oct 31 2006, 03:47 AM'] A question for the anti-voter identification crowd: How do you propose we prevent those who should not be voting from voting? [/quote] Maybe stop them at the registration process, not the voting booth?
Guest T-Bone Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='KizlarAgha' post='1105943' date='Oct 31 2006, 01:02 AM'] Maybe stop them at the registration process, not the voting booth? [/quote] In our current situation, that's like closing the barn door after the horses got out. That notwithstanding, how do you propose ensuring that those who register are legally able to vote?
KizlarAgha Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1105949' date='Oct 31 2006, 05:23 AM'] In our current situation, that's like closing the barn door after the horses got out. That notwithstanding, how do you propose ensuring that those who register are legally able to vote? [/quote] To be honest, I'm not that concerned with it. It seems we can barely count the votes we get properly to begin with. I hardly think that illegal voters are a real threat to American democracy.
Guest T-Bone Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 I've always said that Democracy was over-rated.
cmotherofpirl Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1105939' date='Oct 31 2006, 03:47 AM'] A question for the anti-voter identification crowd: How do you propose we prevent those who should not be voting from voting? [/quote] I have no problem with voter registration, simply make it a bit easier.
Guest T-Bone Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1105959' date='Oct 31 2006, 03:34 AM'] I have no problem with voter registration, simply make it a bit easier. [/quote] It is already way to easy as it is.
MissScripture Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1105959' date='Oct 31 2006, 06:34 AM'] I have no problem with voter registration, simply make it a bit easier. [/quote] Doesn't it depend on the state you live in, as to how difficult it is to register? Honestly, I don't even remember what I had to do to register, which tells me that it wasn't that big of an ordeal for me. Edited October 31, 2006 by MissScripture
Guest T-Bone Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1106155' date='Oct 31 2006, 10:15 AM'] Doesn't it depend on the state you live in, as to how difficult it is to register? Honestly, I don't even remember what I had to do to register, which tells me that it wasn't that big of an ordeal for me. [/quote] Most states you have to write your name, check one or two boxes, and then sign the card. If you are unable to figure that out, maybe you shouldn't be voting.
Red Knight Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 Check out the link I posted earlier regarding the Federal Bill in the House about voter's ID. It will answer concerns or questions regarding paying for the ID. Personally, I think anybody complaining about this law should just shut their yapper and not bother voting, because you don't deserve it. Is that inconsiderate, probably, but I honestly don't care. Voting is a privelege, which can be taken away (convicted felon), however, you can view it as a right, in which case, there are responsibilities that are tied to that right. Excuse me if I am a little fired up about this. Maybe it's just my experiences over the last few years that have made me a little jaded about people's "rights" in America. Quit whining, get an ID, educate yourself on the issues, and vote.
KizlarAgha Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='Red Knight' post='1106186' date='Oct 31 2006, 01:35 PM'] Check out the link I posted earlier regarding the Federal Bill in the House about voter's ID. It will answer concerns or questions regarding paying for the ID. Personally, I think anybody complaining about this law should just shut their yapper and not bother voting, because you don't deserve it. Is that inconsiderate, probably, but I honestly don't care. Voting is a privelege, which can be taken away (convicted felon), however, you can view it as a right, in which case, there are responsibilities that are tied to that right. Excuse me if I am a little fired up about this. Maybe it's just my experiences over the last few years that have made me a little jaded about people's "rights" in America. Quit whining, get an ID, educate yourself on the issues, and vote. [/quote] Yay! Another egocentric, inconsiderate, yahoo! Look, more laws in this country have never made anything better. American Democracy has gone on just fine without these voter ID issues for hundreds of years. Why do we suddenly need IDs now? I think that's the real question. People stupidly treat this law like it's some long-time custom. It's not. It's a new law, and the burden is on the people who want to foist it on the public. They need to show us why this law is necessary. So how about it - can anyone tell me why we need this new law when we never needed it before in 200 years of history?
Guest T-Bone Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='KizlarAgha' post='1106202' date='Oct 31 2006, 10:44 AM'] Yay! Another egocentric, inconsiderate, yahoo! Look, more laws in this country have never made anything better. American Democracy has gone on just fine without these voter ID issues for hundreds of years. Why do we suddenly need IDs now? I think that's the real question. People stupidly treat this law like it's some long-time custom. It's not. It's a new law, and the burden is on the people who want to foist it on the public. They need to show us why this law is necessary. So how about it - can anyone tell me why we need this new law when we never needed it before in 200 years of history? [/quote] Things have changed over the years. 200 years ago, only rich, white, land owners could vote. Things change! Currently, we have an influx of illegal immigrants, and certian parties actively engaged in voter fraud. If we do no ensure that only eligable citizens are able to vote, it will mean an end to the American system of government. Or, we could just take your idea and roll the election laws back 200 years.
kenrockthefirst Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1104769' date='Oct 30 2006, 02:40 AM']Unless the only reason the Demo's don't want this is because a large chunk of thier votes in certain districts come from homeless people that are bussed around from one polling place to another.[/quote] With respect, and if I may be so bold - and, as an aside, I'm not particularly happy seeing all this political stuff on Phatmass - it's not the Dems who are gaming the system. Both Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 were debacles, which, of course, worked out to Republican advantage. Furthermore, the real danger to the system is not that an illegal immigrant is going to vote when he shouldn't, but that electronic voting machines, which can be hacked in about a minute and which leave no paper trail, are going to be used and abused so that elections "come out the way they're supposed to." [quote name='Red Knight' post='1106186' date='Oct 31 2006, 12:35 PM']Personally, I think anybody complaining about this law should just shut their yapper and not bother voting, because you don't deserve it.[/quote] I'm sorry, I didn't realize that my prerogatives as an American citizen were based on dessert. I thought that they were based on, you know, inalienable rights. But this is typical of the sort of response we've seen from the Right in the past several years, to wit, if you don't agree with us, shut up, because you must not be a real American.
Guest T-Bone Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1106248' date='Oct 31 2006, 11:03 AM'] With respect, and if I may be so bold - and, as an aside, I'm not particularly happy seeing all this political stuff on Phatmass - it's not the Dems who are gaming the system. Both Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 were debacles, which, of course, worked out to Republican advantage. Furthermore, the real danger to the system is not that an illegal immigrant is going to vote when he shouldn't, but that electronic voting machines, which can be hacked in about a minute and which leave no paper trail, are going to be used and abused so that elections "come out the way they're supposed to." [/quote] Ah...yes...the "Rebulicans rigged the election to get Bush in" argument. Funny, how in Florida, they wanted to count non votes as votes. Funny how all those non-votes were for the Democratic canditate. Thank you for helping prove my side point that the Democrates don't want a fair election process. (You might want to try harder next time.)
kenrockthefirst Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1106260' date='Oct 31 2006, 01:08 PM'] Ah...yes...the "Rebulicans rigged the election to get Bush in" argument. Funny, how in Florida, they wanted to count non votes as votes. Funny how all those non-votes were for the Democratic canditate. Thank you for helping prove my side point that the Democrates don't want a fair election process. (You might want to try harder next time.) [/quote] The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The Supreme Court had to select Bush in 2000. You can "pooh pooh" it all you like, but the reality is, when it comes to *actual instances* of abusing the system, the Republicans are abusers par excellence.
Guest T-Bone Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 (edited) The only thing the SCUSA did was uphold Florida election law, like what should have happened. Try again... Edited October 31, 2006 by T-Bone
Groo the Wanderer Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1106275' date='Oct 31 2006, 02:14 PM'] The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The Supreme Court had to select Bush in 2000. You can "pooh pooh" it all you like, but the reality is, when it comes to *actual instances* of abusing the system, the Republicans are abusers par excellence. [/quote] Homeboy, re-read the ruling before you flap the trap. They did not select the Prez. They simply said that FL election laws must be upheld. That is, if there is a recount, the SAME procedures must be used statewide, not pick and choose to fit whomever, er, however the local county elections board sees fit. BTW - after the 200 elections, a coalition of journalists, NY Times and CNN included, got permission to conduct thier own unofficial recount of the contested ballots. By thier count, Dubya won by an even bigger margin than the official count. nyah!
Guest T-Bone Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 Groo-- You have to remember who the Kings of Revisionist History are. (I'll give you a hint. They're not the conservatives.)
cmotherofpirl Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='Red Knight' post='1106186' date='Oct 31 2006, 01:35 PM'] Check out the link I posted earlier regarding the Federal Bill in the House about voter's ID. It will answer concerns or questions regarding paying for the ID. Personally, I think anybody complaining about this law should just shut their yapper and not bother voting, because you don't deserve it. Is that inconsiderate, probably, but I honestly don't care. Voting is a privelege, which can be taken away (convicted felon), however, you can view it as a right, in which case, there are responsibilities that are tied to that right. Excuse me if I am a little fired up about this. Maybe it's just my experiences over the last few years that have made me a little jaded about people's "rights" in America. Quit whining, get an ID, educate yourself on the issues, and vote. [/quote] Dearie I voted and worked for political candidates since before you were BORN, so if I want to complain about the new law I will.
Groo the Wanderer Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 Oh yeah - fergot the reason I looked at this thread....lol I am offended by people who cannot speak English voting or attempting to vote. If they cannot read the ballot or the initiatives contained therein, they should not vote on them. So why oh WHY do ballots have to be printed in Spanish, Chinese, French, Farsi, Esperanto, and others? I may be mistaken, but I thought basic English comprehension was still part of the citizenship requirements in the USA...and since only citizens should be voting.....hmmm By the way..funny story to illustrate a point: I took my 72 yr old Mom shopping at Walmart one day (she likes it...yuk). She stopped a clerk and asked where she can get a copy of the Star-Telegram (local newspaper). The clerk said 'Si!' and promptly led us to the Western Union office up front..... BTW - I am hispanic, so don't even go there on the racist carp....
Red Knight Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1106310' date='Oct 31 2006, 01:32 PM'] Dearie I voted and worked for political candidates since before you were BORN, so if I want to complain about the new law I will. [/quote] You earned that right. Rock On!
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