Balthazor Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 (edited) I would like to know what you all think about how to deal with the past sins of the PEOPLE WHO LIVED A LONG TIME AGO IN THE PAST THAT WERE MEMEBERS OF THE Catholic Church. I dont know the whole story but apparently Jan Huss, an early reformer was burned at the stake by the Church as a heretic....case in point. Probably not the most Christ-like thing to do to a guy, heretic or not. So yeah....lot of Hard feelings about that here in Prague, the Old Town Square has a HUGE statue of him looking glum and intimidating. Making enormous statues like that is Europes way of making a subtle point...... So what am I supposed to say? How shall I , or rather We ,Catholics to react to the sins of the past? I know they have happened, I am sorry they happened but at the same time i can not change them and I am not directly responsible for them. yet I somehow feel responsible as a Catholic..... What do you guys think how doe one approach the bitter grapes which my parents ate and my teeth are set on edge? Edited November 6, 2006 by Balthazor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Moving this cause its not a debate. Various members of the Church have grievously sinned, the Catholic Church does NOT sin, she is the Bride of Christ. Have you studied up on this person? What are the details?How do you know it was a sin to burn him? Have you read any of the threads on the inquistion from the debate board? This theme has been covered quite well there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 (edited) you could use the traditional argument. Huss was endangering the souls of a large ammount of people in Prauge. He was given a chance to repent, he did not, so to protect the other souls, he was executed. Edited November 6, 2006 by Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 I should reword it looking back. Because it COULD be a debate. I get confronted all the time about stuff like this from non-Catholics. It always turns into a holy war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 [quote name='Balthazor' post='1113119' date='Nov 6 2006, 07:24 PM'] I should reword it looking back. Because it COULD be a debate. I get confronted all the time about stuff like this from non-Catholics. It always turns into a holy war. [/quote] I'll move it back if it becomes a debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07584b.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07584b.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 Yeah I already looked that up, and I even tried to translate a few of the plaques. I live about 200 yards from Bethlehem Square [url="http://www.compstat2004.cuni.cz/c04-betlemska.htm"]http://www.compstat2004.cuni.cz/c04-betlemska.htm[/url]. And about ten minutes walking from the old town square with this guy's statue. There was a huge movement apparently. The Czechs, even though they tend to be atheist, look at him as a hero. I admit that he was endangering a huge amount of souls...but touching a guy? I mean if you absolutly have to kill someone at least don't do it in the most painful way possible. Unless he worked for the czech post I admit that there have been a few times I thought of torching someone there...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 [quote] What do you guys think how doe one approach the bitter grapes which my parents ate and my teeth are set on edge?[/quote] First off, that is an AWESOME line! Second of all, Imagine how Adam and Eve feel? I gotta wonder if they're sitting at the gates of heaven saying to everyone that enters" Hey sorry about that! Our bad!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) hot stuff you are hilarious. Just imagine Eve at the family reunion pot luck dinner... "um Eve, could you bring something....well...anything but fruit salad" Edited November 7, 2006 by Balthazor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goetian Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1113106' date='Nov 6 2006, 07:20 PM']How do you know it was a sin to burn him? [/quote] Please tell me you're joking. Since when is it a good idea to burn people for their religious beliefs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote name='Goetian' post='1113193' date='Nov 6 2006, 08:14 PM'] Please tell me you're joking. Since when is it a good idea to burn people for their religious beliefs? [/quote] Leading people astray from heaven to hell is more dangerous than murder of the physical body. Granted, burning doesn't sound right, but considering the modes of execution they had back then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I would apologize and clarify that it has no bearing on the truth of Catholicism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 sounds all good and everything, but trying to say you are the true church and the representation of Christ on earth....yet you have blood on your hands...IDK, doesnt work well. This was a big issue for me as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote name='Balthazor' post='1113186' date='Nov 6 2006, 07:07 PM'] hot stuff you are hilarious. Just imagine Eve at the family reunion pot luck dinner... "um Eve, could you bring something....well...anything but fruit salad" [/quote] Or apple pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1113220' date='Nov 6 2006, 08:10 PM'] sounds all good and everything, but trying to say you are the true church and the representation of Christ on earth....yet you have blood on your hands...IDK, doesnt work well. This was a big issue for me as well [/quote] Hmm...That was a norm then. People just did that. It seems "horrible" to us now( because were all so civilized ) but then it was just what you did. Edited November 7, 2006 by Rick777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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