cmotherofpirl Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125392' date='Nov 21 2006, 06:58 PM'] On an 8 year old kid it's still abuse and devestating to the psyche of a child. would you smack your own kid with a ruler on the knuckles? It's abuse man don't be rediculous. [/quote] I had my knuckles rapped and my butt spanked for talking in class on many an occasion, and I certainly don't feel abused. My cousins got spanked in public school and they never felt abused. You knew the rules, you broke them, and you were punished for them. And then when you got home and your parents found out you were spanked in school, you got spanked again for being spanked in school. Spanking and knuckle rapping is not child abuse, but a wake up call to stop messing around. If more kids got their butts smacked when they were little, they would be a bit more tolerable as adults now. And yes my kids got spanked as well, usually once was enough.
zeyeon Posted November 21, 2006 Author Posted November 21, 2006 [quote name='Farsight one' post='1125403' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:03 PM'] Yeah, a contradiction in ANY religion. So why is only the Catholic molestors on the news and in music? [/quote] My guess would be due to the fact that there is a much larger number in the Catholic religion, thus the fact that it gains more attention.
Winchester Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125418' date='Nov 21 2006, 06:17 PM'] My guess would be due to the fact that there is a much larger number in the Catholic religion, thus the fact that it gains more attention. [/quote] You needn't guess. There are places to look it up. Unfortunately, news isn't decided by numerical superiority of the offending party, but by what will be the most outrageous. I would guess by the news that Pit Bulls casue more life altering injuries to children than any other dog. But I would be wrong. What you must explain is why it helps children to single out Catholic priests instead of dealing with the problem in all parts of society. School teachers, parents, bus drivers, ice cream men, etcetera, all offend. It would be better if we pushed for life in prison or (preferably) the death penalty for pedophilia and a stiff 20 year sentence for protecting pedophiles.
zeyeon Posted November 21, 2006 Author Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' post='1125428' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:31 PM'] You needn't guess. There are places to look it up. Unfortunately, news isn't decided by numerical superiority of the offending party, but by what will be the most outrageous. I would guess by the news that Pit Bulls casue more life altering injuries to children than any other dog. But I would be wrong. What you must explain is why it helps children to single out Catholic priests instead of dealing with the problem in all parts of society. School teachers, parents, bus drivers, ice cream men, etcetera, all offend. It would be better if we pushed for life in prison or (preferably) the death penalty for pedophilia and a stiff 20 year sentence for protecting pedophiles. [/quote] Smartest comment I've heard yet. But what would happen when it came time to execute a priest? Edited November 21, 2006 by zeyeon
Winchester Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 [quote]Smartest comment I've heard yet.[/quote] Likewise. [quote]But what would happen when it came time to execute a priest?[/quote] Depending upon the state, they would either throw a breaker, flip a little cup, emptying the contents of said cup into another cup, or push the plunger on a syringe. Chances are, he would be defrocked prior to this, so he wouldn't be apriest.
prose Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 When it came time to punish an offender, it comes time to punish that offender. I don't understand why you have such a problem with this...
homeschoolmom Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125431' date='Nov 21 2006, 06:38 PM'] Smartest comment I've heard yet. But what would happen when it came time to execute a priest? [/quote] He should pray really fervently.
zeyeon Posted November 21, 2006 Author Posted November 21, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1125416' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:12 PM'] I had my knuckles rapped and my butt spanked for talking in class on many an occasion, and I certainly don't feel abused. My cousins got spanked in public school and they never felt abused. You knew the rules, you broke them, and you were punished for them. And then when you got home and your parents found out you were spanked in school, you got spanked again for being spanked in school. Spanking and knuckle rapping is not child abuse, but a wake up call to stop messing around. If more kids got their butts smacked when they were little, they would be a bit more tolerable as adults now. And yes my kids got spanked as well, usually once was enough. [/quote] Well the reason why you spank your kids is because you got abused as a child as well. It may be all you know as far as discipline is concerned. That pattern holds true with serial killers, mollesters, trades of skill, everything. May seem normal to you but it's abuse none the less. Which is why it's dangerous when it happens in such an influential community as a church. [quote name='prose' post='1125442' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:44 PM'] When it came time to punish an offender, it comes time to punish that offender. I don't understand why you have such a problem with this... [/quote] lol man you were the first person who posted saying how hard it is to accept because priests are like uncles to you. Don't front like you wouldn't be outside picketing to save his life.
prose Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) Ummm. First of all, if my uncle did something wrong, he still deserves to be punished. You missed the point. The point was that the whole family is branded by one evil member. Not that I am attached to my uncle, but that my dad wouldn't deserve to be ostracized just because his brother was evil. Secondly, I don't picket. And a priest who molests children deserves the same punishment as any other person who harms children. Man, you are defensive. Edited November 21, 2006 by prose
CrossCuT Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) Edited November 21, 2006 by CrossCuT
cmotherofpirl Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125447' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:53 PM'] Well the reason why you spank your kids is because you got abused as a child as well. It may be all you know as far as discipline is concerned. That pattern holds true with serial killers, mollesters, trades of skill, everything. May seem normal to you but it's abuse none the less. [/quote] You are a bit confused dearie, spanking is not abuse. Spanking is not against the law either Kindly learn the difference before you spout off. :
Mateo el Feo Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125447' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:53 PM']Well the reason why you spank your kids is because you got abused as a child as well. It may be all you know as far as discipline is concerned. That pattern holds true with serial killers, mollesters, trades of skill, everything. May seem normal to you but it's abuse none the less.[/quote]OK, so she is guilty of abusing her kids when she spanks them, yet the state can [u]take the life[/u] of a child molestor? Isn't death the ultimate abuse, using your logic? Is the death penalty all the state knows "as far as discipline is concerned"? I really don't see how you can call Cmom an abuser. What a pathetic accusation.
cmotherofpirl Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 [quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1125460' date='Nov 21 2006, 08:04 PM'] OK, so she is guilty of abusing her kids when she spanks them, yet the state can [u]take the life[/u] of a child molestor? Isn't death the ultimate abuse, using your logic? Is the death penalty all the state knows "as far as discipline is concerned"? I really don't see how you can call Cmom an abuser. What a pathetic accusation. [/quote] its political correctness run amuk as usual. :
Farsight one Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125418' date='Nov 21 2006, 06:17 PM'] My guess would be due to the fact that there is a much larger number in the Catholic religion, thus the fact that it gains more attention. [/quote]Larger in number, perhaps, but that's because the Catholic church in general is larger in number. Larger percentage wise? not one bit. [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125447' date='Nov 21 2006, 06:53 PM'] Well the reason why you spank your kids is because you got abused as a child as well. It may be all you know as far as discipline is concerned. That pattern holds true with serial killers, mollesters, trades of skill, everything. May seem normal to you but it's abuse none the less. [/quote]I'm sorry, but I'm a psychologist, and I have to say that that's horribly naieve. [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1125458' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:00 PM'] You are a bit confused dearie, spanking is not abuse. Spanking is not against the law either Kindly learn the difference before you spout off. : [/quote]Be careful here. There is a line to draw, in a legal sense. Spanking can, in a legal sense be abuse.
cmotherofpirl Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 [quote name='Farsight one' post='1125463' date='Nov 21 2006, 08:11 PM'] Larger in number, perhaps, but that's because the Catholic church in general is larger in number. Larger percentage wise? not one bit. I'm sorry, but I'm a psychologist, and I have to say that that's horribly naieve. Be careful here. There is a line to draw, in a legal sense. Spanking can, in a legal sense be abuse. [/quote] It depends. THere is a difference between spanking and beating. In my state, if you leave a mark on a child it is abuse. But a couple of swats on an offending butt in not abuse. Thats why God padded that area.
zeyeon Posted November 22, 2006 Author Posted November 22, 2006 You people are flipping the script on me like CRAZY. Spanking is not abuse...If you think I was talking on a spanking you're either confused or intentionally flipping it. RAPPING YOUR KIDS ON THE KNUCKLES WITH A WOODEN RULER?!?! That is CHILD ABUSE PERIOD. And as for the psychologist... I hope you don't skip over your patient's words as you did mine. [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125472' date='Nov 21 2006, 08:37 PM'] You people are flipping the script on me like CRAZY. Spanking is not abuse...If you think I was talking on a spanking you're either confused or intentionally flipping it. RAPPING YOUR KIDS ON THE KNUCKLES WITH A WOODEN RULER?!?! That is CHILD ABUSE PERIOD. And as for the psychologist... I hope you don't skip over your patient's words as you did mine. [/quote] In the united states... if you were to wrap even an INMATE on teh knuckles with a ruler it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment. lol that's like caining your kids.
cmotherofpirl Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Are you going to stick with this or are you going back to your original topic of mistakeningly thinking catholics are defending priests who are molesters?
Mateo el Feo Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125472' date='Nov 21 2006, 08:39 PM']And as for the psychologist... I hope you don't skip over your patient's words as you did mine. In the united states... if you were to wrap even an INMATE on teh knuckles with a ruler it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.[/quote]OK, so which form of the death penalty in the United States is less "cruel and unusual" than a ruler on someone's knuckles?
zeyeon Posted November 22, 2006 Author Posted November 22, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1125474' date='Nov 21 2006, 08:40 PM'] Are you going to stick with this or are you going back to your original topic of mistakeningly thinking catholics are dedfending priests who are molesters? [/quote] I'm just prooving a point. If you think I'm mistaken then you are the one mistaken. The reform of nuns beating the studednts is similar to the drastic reforms that need to take place in order to solve the problem. Yes Mollesting is not a catholic owned vice. But Beating children was not unique to the catholic church either. Catholics have a moral authority in the world, so therefore have the responsibility to reform the church to lessen the problem. all I'm saying. [quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1125480' date='Nov 21 2006, 08:56 PM'] OK, so which form of the death penalty in the United States is less "cruel and unusual" than a ruler on someone's knuckles? [/quote] When's the last time a child was executed? I'm about protecting children, not prisoner rights.
rollingcatholic Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125447' date='Nov 21 2006, 06:53 PM'] Well the reason why you spank your kids is because you got abused as a child as well. It may be all you know as far as discipline is concerned. That pattern holds true with serial killers, mollesters, trades of skill, everything. May seem normal to you but it's abuse none the less. [/quote] [quote name='zeyeon' post='1125472' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:39 PM'] Spanking is not abuse... [/quote] Get your argument straight, if you want anyone to take you for anything other than a crackpot.
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