Your Thoughts On Limewire.

[Resey]

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Wow. This is...interesting.
Ick.
Its incredibly tempting to use since its free....but Im kinda iffy about it, so I dont use it unless its an extremely rare song that I cant find on itunes.

[xTrishaxLynnx]

If they're rare, it's probably worse. It most likely means not lots of people bought the album, and the artist is probably [i]needing [/i] to sell more.

[N/A Gone]

on a side note..the south park episode on this is awesome.

Musicians make money based on their ability to gather eyes. Gather a following that will attend concerts and support their music. If anything it makes more money for the artests when they have more people listening to their tracks and then going to their concerts. When you buy a cd you are not buying the music, otherwise you would have the legal right to distribute them. What you are buying is the product, the cd that is produced and put together with pretty pictures. "pirating" is a token term meant to scare someone. If you download a song and sell then that is wrong, because you do not own those rights. If you download a song and listen to it, or turn on the radio and listen to it then who cares. it is the same to me. The artest wants to get on the radio to get people to hear his song, same thing with p2p.

In TV it is often considered ok to download an episode because it was on the TV so you could have seen/recorded for free. I have DVR I can record a whole season(I do btw) and I dont pay for it. I could have a recorded on my radio all day and record stuff(did this with tapes back in high school) there is no difference with that and limewire.

My only issue with limewire is the porn access. That can be a trouble spot for people.

btw, my mom is a musician...dunno if that matters. but to me it does

[Noel's angel]

[prose]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1156561' date='Jan 5 2007, 03:24 AM']
on a side note..the south park episode on this is awesome.

Musicians make money based on their ability to gather eyes. Gather a following that will attend concerts and support their music. If anything it makes more money for the artests when they have more people listening to their tracks and then going to their concerts. When you buy a cd you are not buying the music, otherwise you would have the legal right to distribute them. What you are buying is the product, the cd that is produced and put together with pretty pictures. "pirating" is a token term meant to scare someone. If you download a song and sell then that is wrong, because you do not own those rights. If you download a song and listen to it, or turn on the radio and listen to it then who cares. it is the same to me. The artest wants to get on the radio to get people to hear his song, same thing with p2p.

In TV it is often considered ok to download an episode because it was on the TV so you could have seen/recorded for free. I have DVR I can record a whole season(I do btw) and I dont pay for it. I could have a recorded on my radio all day and record stuff(did this with tapes back in high school) there is no difference with that and limewire.

My only issue with limewire is the porn access. That can be a trouble spot for people.

btw, my mom is a musician...dunno if that matters. but to me it does
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I agree 100%.

I just couldn't word it as well as you.

[Moosey]

I don't believe it is stealing because its called file sharing. The person who puts the music on these programs are responsible for pirating, not the person downloading it. But even so, Rev makes a good point about that. I download music but I don't sell it, I just listen to it. Besides, myspace has musician profiles that have their music on there so you can download it.

My $0.02

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Moosey' post='1156805' date='Jan 5 2007, 02:04 PM']
I don't believe it is stealing because its called file sharing. The person who puts the music on these programs are responsible for pirating, not the person downloading it. But even so, Rev makes a good point about that. I download music but I don't sell it, I just listen to it. Besides, myspace has musician profiles that have their music on there so you can download it.

My $0.02
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it's called "receiving stolen property."

If you knowingly receive property which is stolen, you are liable.

[Moosey]

What if it isnt stolen at all, and was just ripped from a CD that was legally purchased? I can't be held responsible for stealing if I don't know if from whom I'm downloading from stole it or not. There's no way of telling, therefore, I shouldn't be held accountable.

[morostheos]

It doesn't matter if they purchased the cd legally or not - they don't have the rights to share it 99% of the time, so they are giving you something that they don't own. That's stealing.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='morostheos' post='1156848' date='Jan 5 2007, 02:41 PM']
It doesn't matter if they purchased the cd legally or not - they don't have the rights to share it 99% of the time, so they are giving you something that they don't own. That's stealing.
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yes

I was working on a longer explanation but that sums it up nicely

[Jesus_lol]

besides, the amount of money artsists' make off studio albums is incredibly small compared to live shows. which mostly depend on a wide fan base. many bands that "need" the money, promote downloading. metallica doesnt but that is because they are already well known

Edited January 8, 2007 by Jesus_lol

[SRMiller]

I personally decided that Limewire was wrong, though I did use it for a time. Now I've deleted everything I downloaded from them, including the program itself. I didn't like that my music would be available for downloading, and someone could download one of my CDs, and then someone could download my CD from that person and so on. When you think of it like that, I realized how it seemed pretty wrong. And you have no way of telling if that person actually bought the song or not. Even so, if I didn't buy the song, it just seemed wrong. My opinion.

[prose]

[quote name='morostheos' post='1156848' date='Jan 5 2007, 02:41 PM']
It doesn't matter if they purchased the cd legally or not - they don't have the rights to share it 99% of the time, so they are giving you something that they don't own. That's stealing.
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Okay, except the flaw to this argument is that they aren't "giving" you something. They are allowing you to copy something that they own. They aren't selling it to you. They aren't making money off of the exchange. They are letting you copy a file that they currently own.

[Era Might]

That defeats the whole purpose of selling non-material property. One person could buy one CD and distribute it to the whole world. Then nobody would ever have to pay for music. Same with books. Why pay for a book when you can just upload it and give it to everyone?

A song or an album is a product. When you buy it, you are buying the rights to one copy for yourself, just as when you buy a book, you are buying that one copy of the book. You can't buy a book, xerox each page, and then give those copies away; you have to buy more books. You can give that one book itself away (the one copy that you purchased), but you are only giving away that one copy; you aren't producing new copies and depriving the author of the price of a new copy of their product.

[morostheos]

[quote name='prose' post='1158931' date='Jan 8 2007, 08:02 PM']
Okay, except the flaw to this argument is that they aren't "giving" you something. They are allowing you to copy something that they own. They aren't selling it to you. They aren't making money off of the exchange. They are letting you copy a file that they currently own.
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Except it's not a matter of whether it's being given or taken on your own. Having something that is owned by someone (not you), was not bought legally or given as a gift is usually something that is stolen.

Don't get me wrong prose, I think y'all in Canada are really lucky to have the set up you do - and I don't think you're stealing. Most of the world doesn't have the same thing though. There was a tax on tape recorders that did the same, making it okay to copy things to tapes in the US, but a similar tax was never implemented on computers/other cd burners in the US - so for us it's stealing.