reyb Posted July 25, 2007 Posted July 25, 2007 [indent][b][i]Martin Luther even added his own words to the bible! Romans 3:28 originally says: For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law. These are the original words, but Martin Luther decided to add “by faith alone”,[/i][/b][/indent]--------------------------------------------------------- [indent]Again you have to put reference to prove this and to reason out the difference between 'by faith' and 'by faith alone. And best if you can find any writing by Martin Luther - why he did it.[/indent]
reyb Posted July 25, 2007 Posted July 25, 2007 [quote name='Akalyte' post='1221014' date='Mar 28 2007, 02:17 AM']wow...I believe I got everything....Thanks Phatcatholic!!! Those are some awesome and informative articles!! I'll use: Did Jesus Have Brothers? Biblical Fundamentalism and the Catholic Biblical Hermeneutic The Real Presence in Jn 6 Why Have Images of Jesus and the Saints? and the 2 trinitarian articles, Ill combine them! They are awesome! We now have the Following: Catholic Truth in Today's society-2 pages The Trinity-2 pages Pray for me (The saints)-3 pages Why Have Images of Jesus and the Saints? -2 pages Rockin' It (the papacy)-2 pages The Real Presence -2 pages When I Heard My Mother Calling (a catholics life,conversion) Mary Mother Goddess-3 pagfes Did Jesus Have Brothers? -2 pages Biblical Fundamentalism and the Catholic Biblical Hermeneutic -4 pages The Bible is Catholic-1 page Catholic Apologetics Scriptural cheat sheet-1 page I'm going to add my conversion story as well... should we add anything else before I send all the articles to the bishop for an imprimatur?[/quote] [indent]I think you need to include 'Apostolic Sucession' issue - using verses in the bible as Bishop Arinze did in one of his tv program.[/indent]
abercius24 Posted July 25, 2007 Posted July 25, 2007 [quote name='reyb' post='1340091' date='Jul 24 2007, 09:53 PM'][indent][b][i]Martin Luther even added his own words to the bible! Romans 3:28 originally says: For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law. These are the original words, but Martin Luther decided to add “by faith alone”,[/i][/b][/indent]--------------------------------------------------------- [indent]Again you have to put reference to prove this and to reason out the difference between 'by faith' and 'by faith alone. And best if you can find any writing by Martin Luther - why he did it.[/indent][/quote] Simply get a copy of Martin Luther's translation. Its his own version and it clearly shows the added word. Any Lutheran minister will admit to this, as well. From their perspective, Luther was a bit overzealous. They care about the spirit of his work and not so much his "trivialities."
reyb Posted July 26, 2007 Posted July 26, 2007 [quote name='abercius24' post='1340309' date='Jul 25 2007, 01:44 AM']Simply get a copy of Martin Luther's translation. Its his own version and it clearly shows the added word. Any Lutheran minister will admit to this, as well. From their perspective, Luther was a bit overzealous. They care about the spirit of his work and not so much his "trivialities."[/quote] [indent] Okay. Tell it to all the readers of this magazine.[/indent]
abercius24 Posted July 26, 2007 Posted July 26, 2007 [quote name='reyb' post='1340091' date='Jul 24 2007, 09:53 PM'][indent][b][i]Martin Luther even added his own words to the bible! Romans 3:28 originally says: For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law. These are the original words, but Martin Luther decided to add “by faith alone”,[/i][/b][/indent]--------------------------------------------------------- [indent]Again you have to put reference to prove this and to reason out the difference between 'by faith' and 'by faith alone. And best if you can find any writing by Martin Luther - why he did it.[/indent][/quote] "Grace and peace in Christ, honorable, worthy and dear Lord and friend! I received your letter with the two questions, or inquiries, requesting my response. In the first place, you ask why in translating the words of Paul in the 3rd chapter of the Epistle to the Romans, Arbitramur hominem iustificari ex fide absque operibus, I rendered them, "We hold that a man is justified without the works of the law, by faith alone," and you also tell me that the papists are causing a great fuss because Paul's text does not contain the word sola (alone), and that my addition to the words of God is not to be tolerated." ... "But I will return to the subject at hand. If your papist wishes to make a great fuss about the word sola (alone), say this to him: "Dr. Martin Luther will have it so, and he says that a papist and a donkey are the same thing." Sic volo, sic iubeo, sit pro ratione voluntas." ... "Let this be the answer to your first question. Please do not give these donkeys any other answer to their useless braying about that word sola than simply this: "Luther will have it so, and he says that he is a doctor above all the doctors of the pope." Let it rest there." ... "I know very well that in Romans 3 the word solum is not in the Greek or Latin text — the papists did not have to teach me that. It is fact that the letters s-o-l-a are not there." (An Open Letter on Translating By Martin Luther, 1530; English translation by Dr. Gary Mann for project Wittenberg) Luther was a very prideful and arrogant man. He gained power from the German Lords and he let it go to his head. He uses insults against the Catholics throughout this letter, too. Less than holy behavior all-in-all. Luther did add the word "alone". He admitted it himself. Steve S. -- Abercius24 Editor of CatholicQandA.com
abercius24 Posted July 26, 2007 Posted July 26, 2007 (edited) [quote name='reyb' post='1340083' date='Jul 24 2007, 09:43 PM'][b][i]When Martin Luther started messing with the bible he removed 7 books from the Old Testament (Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, 1&2 Maccabees) these books are from the Greek Septuagint version of the dueterocanonicals) these are books that Jesus and his Apostles used and even quoted from in the New Testament[/b]![/i]...Bible is Catholic by Kenneth Villers -------------------- [indent]I think you need to cite the verse in the new testament- where is it. (these are books that Jesus and his Apostles used and even quoted from in the New Testament!)[/indent][/quote] Here is a list of verses quoted from the Septuagint by Christ and the Apostles in the New Testament. There are quite a few hundred. I recommend you choose 2 or 3 for your publication as examples. [url="http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/deutero3.htm"]http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/deutero3.htm[/url] Hope this helps! Steve S. -- Abercius24 Editor of CatholicQandA.com Edited July 26, 2007 by abercius24
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