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[journeyman]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1207378' date='Mar 3 2007, 06:31 PM']That one's worse!
Its swedish[/quote]

and vat is wrong wit dat?

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[Farsight one]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1208112' date='Mar 4 2007, 08:19 PM'][img]http://www.zonalibre.org/blog/zahir/archives/ying-yang75.jpg[/img]

The yin/yang is often seen at martial arts studios, yet few understand its esoteric meaning.[/quote]Which apparently includes even you. [quote]The symbol represents the combining of male and female, the forces of darkness and light; the integreation of God and the Devil.[/quote] It does not represent the combining of male and female, or combining the "forces" of light and darkness, and it sure as heck doesn't represent the integration of God and the devil. It is not about opposites at all, though some of the things it represents could be considered opposites. It represents finding the balance in things. It is not about opposites, but about complementary things. When in harmony, the male and female complement each other perfectly.

I'll say that you could interpret it the way you did, since no symbol has an inherent meaning. I only clarified for you because you seemed to assume that your concept was the same as the original meaning of the yin yang.

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Glad someone fixed that. 3 years of Tae Kwon Do made me wanna laugh

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1208088' date='Mar 5 2007, 02:03 AM']We are missing the main point here.

The term "budge" is an automatic link to

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budge"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budge[/url]

and that is just scary.[/quote]

EA Wallis Budge is scary? He was a bit of a black sheep in the history of the British Museum, procuring artefacts in less than kosher ways. And don't pay too much attention to anything he says, as a lot is outdated now (though he does have some good stuff on Osiris). Oh, I see, you're referring to his love of the occult. Well, not everyone who reads the Book of the Dead, his translation or otherwise, loses their faith, I am a witness to that.

Okay, end of tangent.

[dandy777]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1207428' date='Mar 4 2007, 02:00 AM']every single time [/quote]

It's the booze bug

[Starets]

Budge Budge Budge. the pentegram was originally a Christian symbol. Ever heaard of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight? Didn't think so.

[Budge]

[quote]the pentegram was originally a Christian symbol.[/quote]

Where'd you get this from? the Da Vinci Code?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1208116' date='Mar 4 2007, 09:22 PM']We're not obsessed with demons and the occult. We're just exposing satan and his work to others. Too many people are unaware of these issues.

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them."
(Ephesians 5:11)[/quote]
They are not issues for adult christians, they are scare tactics for little children.
It must be comforting to place the blame for things on outside forces, demons, satan etc, "the devil made me do it" instead of taking personal responsibility in life.
Are we ever influenced by evil- sure.
Is it generally lurking behind every symbol and door waiting to pounce in us - nope.

Evil is out there, but it is found on human hearts, not in drawings on a page.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1208481' date='Mar 5 2007, 09:27 AM']Where'd you get this from? the Da Vinci Code?[/quote]
nope, history

[url="http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa100102a.htm"]http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa100102a.htm[/url]

or

In Christian times:

The five points of the pentagram have been interpreted as representing the five wounds of Christ (2 wrist, 2 ankle and 1 side).
The Roman Emperor Constantine used the pentagram in his seal and amulet. 14
It has been referred to as the Star of Bethlehem
It was used to symbolize the star which allegedly led three Zoroastrian astrologers to the baby Jesus; it was called the Three Kings' star.
The English warrior Sir Gawain, a nephew of King Arthur, adopted the pentagram as his personal symbol and placed it on his shield. 7 It appeared in gold on a red background. The five points symbolized "the five knightly virtues - generosity, courtesy, chastity, chivalry and piety." 14
Tarot cards originally had a suit of coins or discs. These were changed in the 19th century to pentacles when the Tarot became associated with the Kabbalah. They eventually became the suit of diamonds in modern playing cards.
It has been widely used by past Christians as a protective amulet.

It has been used for thousands of years by many different groups, it currently is co-opted by pretend satanists.

[Azriel]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1208494' date='Mar 5 2007, 10:05 AM']Evil is out there, but it is found on human hearts, not in drawings on a page.[/quote]

Absolutely. Cmom, can I use your quote? That's the super cool.

[Budge]

You know, one thing that really stands out here to me is how the Catholic view of the world is 180 degrees from that of the Christian's view of the world [yes I know you believe you are Christian].

The confusion is rife within Catholicism because of Catholicism's practice of adapting that which is pagan and saying it is "Christian" when it is anything but.

The Pentagram was first used in Chaldea in UR [read BABYLON] and yes it is used among many different philsophies and religions, but it is anything but "Christian". It in essence is another marker of MYSTERY BABYLON.

The Star of David btw is no good either, but a marker for false Judaism that has denied Jesus Christ...[the Talmud like the Koran denies Jesus as God come in the flesh]

From Messianic Jewish site, Jews that accept Jesus...

[quote]
balist have associated the Hex with Druid temple of the sun in Stonehenge as pictured to the left by Kabbalist Charles Ponce. This is a satanic union that should not be ignored. It is a confession in symbolism that they are both of the same religious antiquity. The first use of the Hex in Babylon is found within the winged sun-disc. The Hex then is an ancient pagan symbol having nothing to do with God. By the Kabbalist superimposing the hex upon Stonehenge, they are confirming through symbolism that the six-pointed star is the *mark, seal, or symbol* of the sun god. If this sun god *Shemesh* is found to be worshiped in the person of Baal or lucifer, the light bearer, and the one to enlighten mankind in the mystery of iniquity, then the hex becomes a symbol of the highest satanic religion upon the earth. It is symbolic of the snake throne. How then can Christians use it, and how can Jews adopt it for their national or messianic symbol and representative of their God?
[b]If Jesus and the Apostles had put any faith or confidence in a mark or symbol of the Messianic Kingdom being the Hex, the Pentagram, the Swastika, or the Maltese Cross, this would be found in the New Testament. They are not found there or hinted at all. They are not found associated at all with primitive Christianity. We must conclude then, that these are apostate symbols belonging to the occult and and snake throne kingdom and totally foreign to Christianity. No true Christian will use them in any manner or fashion as they are tied to apostasy, the snake throne, and to the antichrist. [/b][/quote]

[url="http://jesus-messiah.com/gifs/star.gif"]LINK[/url]

To be honest it is frightening for me to watch people who are so deceived by a church that has taught them to accept everything pagan.

[Budge]

[quote]It has been widely used by past Christians as a protective amulet.[/quote]

Cmother do you believe Christians should use protective amulets?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1208515' date='Mar 5 2007, 11:10 AM']You know, one thing that really stands out here to me is how the Catholic view of the world is 180 degrees from that of the Christian's view of the world [yes I know you believe you are Christian].

The confusion is rife within Catholicism because of Catholicism's practice of adapting that which is pagan and saying it is "Christian" when it is anything but.

The Pentagram was first used in Chaldea in UR [read BABYLON] and yes it is used among many different philsophies and religions, but it is anything but "Christian". It in essence is another marker of MYSTERY BABYLON.

The Star of David btw is no good either, but a marker for false Judaism that has denied Jesus Christ...[the Talmud like the Koran denies Jesus as God come in the flesh]

From Messianic Jewish site, Jews that accept Jesus...
[url="http://jesus-messiah.com/gifs/star.gif"]LINK[/url]

To be honest it is frightening for me to watch people who are so deceived by a church that has taught them to accept everything pagan.[/quote]
Various people have given the same general symbol different meanings over thousands of years. As usual you miss point. A symbol is a drawing with no inherent meaning until you give it one.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1208517' date='Mar 5 2007, 11:11 AM']Cmother do you believe Christians should use protective amulets?[/quote]

Depends on what you define as protective and amulet.

[Budge]

[quote]A symbol is a drawing with no inherent meaning until you give it one.[/quote]

So everyone gives their own meaning to every symbol?

That sounds like the moral relativistic, whatever is true for me, may not be true for you worldview.

[Budge]

[quote]Depends on what you define as protective and amulet.[/quote]

Why would a Christian need any protection except from God?

Bags of herbs, sticks, and medals, are useless compared to God who made the universe.

Depend on HIM!

[123]

[quote]Isn't everyone Irish???[/quote]

Just a tad bit, more or less English.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1208528' date='Mar 5 2007, 11:33 AM']So everyone gives their own meaning to every symbol?

That sounds like the moral relativistic, whatever is true for me, may not be true for you worldview.[/quote]

My engagement ring was a rose ring, it was a symbol to me and its meaning was defined by the giver and myself.
The nazis co-opted the swastica, which was an ancient christian symbol. long before they used it.
Symbols have the meaning we assign to them.
Crucifixes are powerful christian symbols.

[scardella]

[quote name='Budge' post='1208529' date='Mar 5 2007, 10:34 AM']Why would a Christian need any protection except from God?

Bags of herbs, sticks, and medals, are useless compared to God who made the universe.[/quote]

Do you seriously think that we think the device/article itself is what has the power? It is simply a vehicle or channel of God's grace. Well, I know that I'm both body and spirit, and I like things I can see or hear or feel. If I can see something that brings me grace, I'm all for it. I'd rather be last place in heaven with the helps of seeing and feeling than anywhere in hell without seeing and feeling... "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe" - True, but believing is way more important than not seeing. St. Thomas may be weak, but at least he's in heaven!

Edited March 5, 2007 by scardella