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[catholimaniac]

[quote name='Truthseeker777' post='1209978' date='Mar 7 2007, 06:29 PM']It is happening right before your eyes and you laugh it off.[/quote]

Your friends are polluting my home with satanic imagery and I'm not laughing.

Satanism isn't funny.

In Christ we are won,

Tad

[Urib2007]

Christopher Mark observed recently in an insight filled article entitled [i]Grand Deception: The Theft of America and the World,[/i] "The world is completely corrupt beyond your wildest dreams, and the United States is, perhaps, the most gullible of all nations."

Mark goes on to explain:

[font="Century Gothic"]For now, grasp: The world you believe exists does not exist. We live in a dorm of the Matrix, not unlike the world portrayed in John Carpenter's movie, "They Live," except that high government officials and international bankers are the elite who control all you see and hear as did the aliens portrayed in the movie.[/font]

But, the foolish may object, we have the media to protect us from the corrupt. We cannot be deceived as long as there is a free press to act as our watchdog. Ah, but there's no free press.

Christopher Mark adds:

[b][font="Century Gothic"]The news is a farce. As is the case with the financial institution, which are concentrated in the hands of the few, long ago the media was bought and paid for...What you read and what you see on a daily basis is largely manufactured. You are being lied to each and everyday. [/font][/b]

Thomas Mann, the keen social observer and philosopher, [b][u]once suggested that men are erroneously taught to believe that it is forbidden and wrong to expose the works of darkness,[/u][/b] or to reveal the machinations of evildoers, especially evildoers who, though they act in hellish ways, the deceived world at large so obviously holds in the highest regard:

[font="Century Gothic"]That is the secret delight and security of hell, that it is not to be informed on, that it is protected from speech, that it just is, but cannot be made public in the newspaper, or be brought by any word to critical knowledge. -- Thomas Mann, Famous Quotes[/font]

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Azriel' post='1209952' date='Mar 7 2007, 05:44 PM']Funny you should say that, I tried that on another thread. No one seemed terribly amused. 'cept me.

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s=&showtopic=65286&view=findpost&p=1209387"]Clicky[/url][/quote]

"I still dont get it (I don't watch tv 99% of the time anymore, let alone SNL).

[quote name='Truthseeker777' post='1209978' date='Mar 7 2007, 06:29 PM']Guys,a very important thing to remember is
if you know these occult symbols being used in the media,music,clothes
and jewelry.
Once you know how to spot them you will be more aware of the works of the NEW WORLD ORDER
and their quest to bring forth the anti-christ and their one-world religion and government.
It is happening right before your eyes and you laugh it off.
If you don't like to learn,then let it be,but their is many others taking in this
priceless information and any aware Christian won't get caught out by the wolf
in sheeps clothing.[/quote]

*sigh* This is why I withdraw from the popular media. Because they distort all that is good. I recommend you do the same, but do not compromise your knowledge of todays issues such as abortion, euthanasia, etc.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1209987' date='Mar 7 2007, 06:46 PM']Christopher Mark observed recently in an insight filled article entitled [i]Grand Deception: The Theft of America and the World,[/i] "The world is completely corrupt beyond your wildest dreams, and the United States is, perhaps, the most gullible of all nations."

Mark goes on to explain:

[font="Century Gothic"]For now, grasp: The world you believe exists does not exist. We live in a dorm of the Matrix, not unlike the world portrayed in John Carpenter's movie, "They Live," except that high government officials and international bankers are the elite who control all you see and hear as did the aliens portrayed in the movie.[/font]

But, the foolish may object, we have the media to protect us from the corrupt. We cannot be deceived as long as there is a free press to act as our watchdog. Ah, but there's no free press.

Christopher Mark adds:

[b][font="Century Gothic"]The news is a farce. As is the case with the financial institution, which are concentrated in the hands of the few, long ago the media was bought and paid for...What you read and what you see on a daily basis is largely manufactured. You are being lied to each and everyday. [/font][/b]

Thomas Mann, the keen social observer and philosopher, [b][u]once suggested that men are erroneously taught to believe that it is forbidden and wrong to expose the works of darkness,[/u][/b] or to reveal the machinations of evildoers, especially evildoers who, though they act in hellish ways, the deceived world at large so obviously holds in the highest regard:

[font="Century Gothic"]That is the secret delight and security of hell, that it is not to be informed on, that it is protected from speech, that it just is, but cannot be made public in the newspaper, or be brought by any word to critical knowledge. -- Thomas Mann, Famous Quotes[/font][/quote]

Have you read the book [i]Culture Jam[/i] by Kale Lasn {sp?}? It's pretty good. Pretty much explains that our culture is under the slave of consumerism. I know a good Catholic/Christian can read into what he says further but it is a good eyeopener, or at least clarifies certain aspects that one may already know. I didn't agree with everything he said, but its for you to decide.

[catholimaniac]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1209987' date='Mar 7 2007, 06:46 PM']Christopher Mark observed recently in an insight filled article entitled [i]Grand Deception: The Theft of America and the World,[/i] "Thomas Mann, the keen social observer and philosopher, [b][u]once suggested that men are erroneously taught to believe that it is forbidden and wrong to expose the works of darkness[/quote]


Here's the problem. Insteading of exposing the works of darkness, you are spreading the works of darkness. If someone perusing this thread couln't read English, they could easily mistake you and Budge for satanists, given the large volume of satanic imagery you and only you have been posting.

Seriously guys, all this satanism is rotting your minds. Give it a break and keep your eyes on Christ.

God bless,

Tad

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='catholimaniac' post='1209997' date='Mar 7 2007, 07:09 PM']Here's the problem. Insteading of exposing the works of darkness, you are spreading the works of darkness. If someone perusing this thread couln't read English, they could easily mistake you and Budge for satanists, given the large volume of satanic imagery you and only you have been posting.

Seriously guys, all this satanism is rotting your minds. Give it a break and keep your eyes on Christ.

God bless,

Tad[/quote]It is interesting that Budge (and many fundies) seem to be obsessed with finding satan everywhere, while we Catholics are focused on finding Christ.

Edited March 8, 2007 by Mateo el Feo

[N/A Gone]

I find it interesting that budge wont ask my simple question

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Azriel' post='1209952' date='Mar 7 2007, 05:44 PM']Funny you should say that, I tried that on another thread. No one seemed terribly amused. 'cept me.

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s=&showtopic=65286&view=findpost&p=1209387"]Clicky[/url][/quote]I didn't even see that!

If only Phatmass had a Church Lady emoticon. That would come in handy.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1209959' date='Mar 7 2007, 05:59 PM'][img]http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Benedict_XVI_Pictures_Miscellany/benedictsalute.jpg[/img][/quote]Using materials from a traditionalist website? Interesting.

Anyway, this picture screams "Photoshopped." Wouldn't you agree?

Edited March 8, 2007 by Mateo el Feo

[Azriel]

Sorta looks like sign language for "love" to me ....


[img]http://www.creativeaccess.org/plugins/MivaMerchants/graphics/00000001/ILUmagnet_icon.jpg[/img]



And Anton LeVey was a complete idiot. More interested in his image than in Satan. Not that he didn't do great harm. He was just a joke.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1209959' date='Mar 7 2007, 04:59 PM'][img]http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Benedict_XVI_Pictures_Miscellany/benedictsalute.jpg[/img][/quote]Rather than actually debate the topic at hand, you show more pictures with some semblance of similarity. How's about you actually debate?

1. That hand sign is used in some styles of sign language to say "love". It can actually mean one of many things and is not made evil simply because some satanists use it.

2. Simply because there's a resemblance visually, does not mean that there is anything else that's the same about it. Remember, God judged us by our hearts. Or should I show you the chart I have on my computer that compares the average global temperature to the number of pirates left on earth. It clearly shows that as the number of pirates goes down, the average global temperature rises. Clearly more pirates are needed to combat global warming!

3. Why is that entire newspaper clipping in German(?) except for the caption and headline about the satanist?

Edited March 8, 2007 by Farsight one

[Budge]

Look here they are defending the pentagram and eternity snakes....

Sadly we can warn them, but very few will listen, it is the way of the world.


As for those upset that I focus on warning of the occult, I do serve in a watchperson capacity at times. Not all Christians are called to that work. It is not easy, and one has to be in constant prayer even for discernment. Most dont listen. But I have to warn irregardless. In fact I am used to people getting upset or calling me Satanic. However the other option of coming on this board, seeing a satanic snake plastered everywhere without saying a word isnt a viable option either.

Spiritual warfare is real, and too many here diminish it and say it does not matter. I guess I am kind of old becaue I remember the days even in Catholicism, that the circle snake would be seen for what it really was.

Edited March 8, 2007 by Budge

[Farsight one]

And that isn't a reply to ANY point we made. This is a debate board. Start debating.

[N/A Gone]

all i asked was a simple question...



(*goes off into corner and wets himself)

[Budge]

What was your question?

Just ask it again...

I couldnt find it.

[N/A Gone]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1207748' date='Mar 4 2007, 11:36 AM']personally I would worry more about rejecting Christ in His gift of Himself to us to consume and His church than whatever multiple symbol meanings you can think of.[/quote]

[Budge]

[quote]ersonally I would worry more about rejecting Christ in His gift of Himself to us to consume and His church than whatever multiple symbol meanings you can think of.[/quote]Actually Heres a book you should read that will tell you what I think exactly of the Eucharist.

{to consume? that line made me shudder, dont you see the dishonor in literally chowing down on God?}

Deu 4:16 Lest ye corrupt [yourselves], and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

Deu 4:17 The likeness of any beast that [is] on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,

Deu 4:18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Notice the literal SUN WORSHIP shown there.

Worshipping the CREATION [pieces of bread and sun] rather then the CREATOR.

[img]http://www.catholicposters.com/shop/images/products/fullimages/978.jpg[/img]


[quote][1] Look at the picture above one more time. Would you call that Eucharist cracker an image? Let me help you. An image is, according to Webster's,

im-age (im'ij) n. an imitation or representation of a person or thing, drawn, painted, photographed, etc.; esp., a statue; a sculpted figure used as an idol.

The person is Jesus, the idol is the Eucharist cracker and surrounding monstrance. "But," a Catholic would say to me, "we don't worship idols, we worship Jesus." Well, let's look at Webster's again for the definition of an idol:

i-dol (i'dl) n. an image of a god, used as an object or instrument of worship. [Didn't Pope JPII say to worship the Eucharist?]; any object of ardent or excessive devotion or admiration [Didn't PopeJPII say, "Eucharistic DEVOTION"?][/quote]

Rev PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS BOOK.

[img]http://www.whateverycatholicshouldknow.com/estore/images/GB.jpg[/img]

[catholimaniac]

That's a nice picture of John Paul II, Budge. At least your taste in art is becoming more appropriate for a Christian forum.

God bless you,

Tad

[Azriel]

Budge - Henceforth, whether quoting someone else or not, you will not refer to the Holy Eucharist as a "cracker".

You do not come in someone's home and carp on the rug. While you are most certainly welcome here as a member of the phorum, and are open to discuss your views, disrespect of this phorum, its members, and our faith will not be tolerated.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1210292' date='Mar 8 2007, 07:13 AM']{to consume? that line made me shudder, dont you see the dishonor in literally chowing down on God?}[/quote]I think that the term used in the Gospel of St. John is translated as "gnawing." If you're offended, don't feel alone. Many of the Jews that heard Our Lord were equally offended, and walked away from Him, never to return.

[quote name='Budge' post='1210292' date='Mar 8 2007, 07:13 AM'][1] Look at the picture above one more time. Would you call that Eucharist cracker an image? Let me help you. An image is, according to Webster's,

im-age (im'ij) n. an imitation or representation of a person or thing, drawn, painted, photographed, etc.; esp., a statue; a sculpted figure used as an idol.[/quote]In contrast to Protestants, we Catholics do not believe that the Eucharist is an "imitation" or "representation" of Our Lord. The Eucharist [b]is[/b] Our Lord, substantially present.

[quote name='Budge' post='1210292' date='Mar 8 2007, 07:13 AM']The person is Jesus, the idol is the Eucharist cracker and surrounding monstrance. "But," a Catholic would say to me, "we don't worship idols, we worship Jesus." Well, let's look at Webster's again for the definition of an idol:

i-dol (i'dl) n. an image of a god, used as an object or instrument of worship. [Didn't Pope JPII say to worship the Eucharist?]; any object of ardent or excessive devotion or admiration [Didn't PopeJPII say, "Eucharistic DEVOTION"?][/quote]In that case, you should stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Jews and Muslims who use the same logic to attack the dogma of the Incarnation, claiming that we are worshipping a created man (i.e. their view of Jesus) instead of God. I seriously doubt you could make an argument to counter such an attack that couldn't be immediately used by those of us who believe in the words of chapter 6 of the Gospel of St. John (among other passages that support the Christian belief of the Real Presence).

[quote name='Budge' post='1210292' date='Mar 8 2007, 07:13 AM']Notice the literal SUN WORSHIP shown there.[/quote]Actually, the sun is figurative imagery, because the Our Lord is "the Light of the World." (That's a quote from Our Lord Himself, John 8:12). There are quite a few references to Our Lord's face "shining like the sun" in Revelation and elsewhere (see [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation1.htm#foot15"]this link [/url]for a bunch of verses which use imagery of the sun).

[quote name='Budge' post='1210292' date='Mar 8 2007, 07:13 AM']Worshipping the CREATION [pieces of bread and sun] rather then the CREATOR.[/quote]You're actually quoting an Islamic bumper sticker. You sure you don't follow Muhammed?

I do pray for the day when you convert back to Christ and the Catholic Faith, so you could begin to focus more on Our Lord, and less on chasing every new conspiracy theory that blows your way.