Mateo el Feo Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1213255' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:26 PM']Ill do a thread of GOOD preachers for you all later.[/quote]I hope they're all independent Baptists.
Budge Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote]According to what standard would you assign the term "cult"? You sentence is just an ad hominem, with no meaningful content. Having a bad day?[/quote] Dont you disagree with Oneness Pentes denying the divinity of Christ?
Budge Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote]I hope they're all independent Baptists.[/quote] Actually no.
Mateo el Feo Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1213260' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:30 PM']Dont you disagree with Oneness Pentes denying the divinity of Christ? [/quote]I'm questioning your application of the term "cult." You have appropriated it for an emotional, non-reasoned attack.
FullTruth Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1213260' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:30 PM']Dont you disagree with Oneness Pentes denying the divinity of Christ? [/quote] NO! I was one of them. They believe that Jesus Christ is YHWH manifested in the flesh. Jesus Christ is the Son, Jesus Christ is the Father, and Jesus Christ is the holy ghost. Jesus Christ is all of God in the flesh. So, no they don't deny the divinity of Christ, they embrace until it gets distorted. Get it! That is why they only baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, because they believe it fulfills the great commission, to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, because they believe Jesus Christ is all of these things. So Budge, you just opened your mouth and put a big foot into it, because you said something without all the facts.
Budge Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) That is still confusion and not what the Bible teaches. Jesus taught us how to pray, they ignore it. Edited March 14, 2007 by Budge
jeffpugh Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='FullTruth' post='1213256' date='Mar 13 2007, 09:27 PM']Yeah, I definitely starting to get that feeling. All Budge does is get on my nerves. Makes a comment about Oneness believers denying the divinity of the christ, without even finding out what they believe. You guys know what Oneness/Modalistic believers believe, don't you. Go tell Budge![/quote] I'm sure we would be glad to for you, but since when does Budge listen to us?
Sojourner Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='FullTruth' post='1213256' date='Mar 13 2007, 08:27 PM']Yeah, I definitely starting to get that feeling. All Budge does is get on my nerves. Makes a comment about Oneness believers denying the divinity of the christ, without even finding out what they believe. You guys know what Oneness/Modalistic believers believe, don't you. Go tell Budge![/quote] Modalism is an ancient heresy that teaches that God is one person who manifests in different modes: Father, Son, and Spirit. It's a denial of the Trinity: three persons in one God. The Christian Research Journal had a great article on this several years ago ... can't find it online now, but they accused T.D. Jakes of being a modalist.
Budge Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote]Makes a comment about Oneness believers denying the divinity of the christ, without even finding out what they believe.[/quote] Every cult quibbles about "what they really believe" Ive had some Ruckmanites who also deny the divnity of Christ..the Baptist branch of Oneness theologies, do the whole song and dance too. One man has refused to answer the question..iS Jesus Christ God? for years. Wont say no and denies Christ by never saying yes.
FullTruth Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1213271' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:37 PM']That is still confusion and not what the Bible teaches. Jesus taught us how to pray, they ignore it.[/quote] I agree they distort the divinity in the christ, in a fashion. I believe in a pluarity of God who is a single person. I don't not believe there is three persons in one substance, but I believe on person is is three substances, and that the three all make up one person. Before you say, the bible doesn't say that, All I would need to do is put up the thousands of locations of scripture that describes God as a HE, HIS, HIM, ME, MY, MINE, AND I, and give you a small grammer lesson that such language denotes a single personal pronoun, but you wouldn't believe me. When it comes down to it budge, the only thing that saves you is the belief Jesus Christ is the Great I AM, trust in the grace of God, and repent of your sins, be baptized, and be filled with the holy ghost, which isn't speaking in tongues, and loving your brothers and sister in christ. I've often said, I guess when we lecutre one to another we fulfill the law and the prophets. Is that what Scripture said. I consider many people here my brothers and sisters in Christ. I feel sorry you don't. Does that mean I'm going to join any religion? No. I'm totally independent, non-denominational christian who loves God, reads his bible, and prays the Lord's prayer every day. All churches are in heresy right now, in my opinion, even your church Budge. I don't want anybody here to be offended. Church is a place were we get to know God, but it shouldn't end there. Church is the beginning of knowing God, and shouldn't be the end of it.
FullTruth Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1213274' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:39 PM']Every cult quibbles about "what they really believe" Ive had some Ruckmanites who also deny the divnity of Christ..the Baptist branch of Oneness theologies, do the whole song and dance too. One man has refused to answer the question..iS Jesus Christ God? for years. Wont say no and denies Christ by never saying yes.[/quote] Than go to a UPC church, and ask someone if Jesus Christ is God. Listen to the answer - they will, without a doubt, say Jesus Christ is God, all of God, and nothing but God. As a oneness believer, I never once would say Jesus Christ isn't God because he was fully God in the flesh. Again, you are putting your foot in your mouth further and further. Stop it, you're embarrasing yourself with your totall preduice and total lack of knowledge. You remind me of a KKK member who thinks people of African American descent are mud men and less 'evolved' than the rest of us.
FullTruth Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1213291' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:57 PM']Where did the bible come from, GodChaser?[/quote] My didn't come out of Alexandria. My bible came out of Hebrew Texts for the old testament, (JPS bible), and the original Greek for the new testament (KJV bible)
Budge Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote]As a oneness believer[/quote] I thought you said you left. Which is it?
FullTruth Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1213300' date='Mar 13 2007, 11:02 PM']I thought you said you left. Which is it?[/quote] Budge, grow up. If somebody doesn't believe what you believe, you're always going to find fault in it. I feel sorry for you, because you have a Pharisseical spirit to you, which doesn't fit in the life of a Christian. I'm not a Oneness - it is all in Jesus - believer anymore. What I was saying, when I was a Oneness Believer, I would never deny the divinity of Christ, because the fullness of the Godhead Bodily resides in the Christ. That is the foundation of the faith that Oneness believers have. That is why they believe you are fulfilling the Great Comission of Matthew 28 with Acts 2:38, repent, be baptized every single one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and ye shall recieve the gift of the holy ghost. I think you're equating Oneness belief with Unitarian belief which does deny the divinity of the Christ. What oneness believers believe and what unitarians believe are two different things, period! Learn your facts. Go to the United Pentecostal Church International website, and check out their doctrines.
Mateo el Feo Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 FullTruth, surely you don't believe that you know your own beliefs as well as Budge knows them. Long ago, I realized that Budge knew my beliefs better than I did. So, please, get with the program!
KnightofChrist Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1213246' date='Mar 13 2007, 08:19 PM'][b]Anyone who has joined with Rome[/b] and interfaithism is teaching against the Christian gospel. Some may be sincere but they are wrong. The ones who are living in 8 million dollar mansions show what they are in it for. I test preachers via the Bible not by my own standards. You are told to accept whatever they teach you.[/quote] See I know you mean Holy Mother Church by "rome" I must say Christ is not at all please by your hateful comment against His bride. He is joined with Her and shall remain joined with Her forever. But the some hearing this, say: This Church casteth not out the devils but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. But every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand. And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself: how then shall his kingdom stand? And if She by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? But if She by the Spirit of God cast out devils, then is the kingdom of God come upon you. Holy Mother Church has stood for some 2,000 yrs because She is joined with her bridegroom Christ. Holy Mother Church does not preach interfaithism, some of her rebellus children may but She does not. But in most cases, you merely do not comprehend what Her children are saying. Edited March 14, 2007 by KnightofChrist
FullTruth Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1213328' date='Mar 14 2007, 12:11 AM']FullTruth, surely you don't believe that you know your own beliefs as well as Budge knows them. Long ago, I realized that Budge knew my beliefs better than I did. So, please, get with the program! [/quote] You're right brother. Budge is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent! Edited March 14, 2007 by FullTruth
Budge Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Hmm FullTruth, you already got those catholic apologist techniques down. Thats pretty good for a would be pente--whatever you are..., if I say so myself!
NewReformation Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1213492' date='Mar 14 2007, 10:33 AM']Hmm FullTruth, you already got those catholic apologist techniques down. Thats pretty good for a would be pente--whatever you are..., if I say so myself![/quote] Catholics aren't the only folks who think you're an idiot. I can name several Fundamental Baptists who do as well.
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