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[Starets]

When the two of you decide which one of you is the One True Christian Who Has All His/Her Doctrinal Points In The Correct Order Glory Halleluyah(tm) let me know ok?

[Budge]

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When the two of you decide which one of you is the One True Christian Who Has All His/Her Doctrinal Points In The Correct Order Glory Halleluyah™ let me know ok?
Mateo el Feo Posted Today, 12:07 PM[/quote]Actually he *could" be a Christian but simply be wrong about some doctrinal issues.

True Christians who have been born again and have the Holy Spirit indwelling are Christians.

Now usually this will lead someone to truth, but even that is a process as the Holy Spirit leads them.

Ie I was saved while still within the Catholic Church, left few weeks later.

Hyper-Calvinism sadly makes many of the same errors of Rome. I know I have to do posts on good preachers, the keys and now Calvinism...hehehehe.


[quote] Real truth is determined based on Budge's personal judgment.[/quote]

You all have the things you believe to be true do you know?

Thusly you have youre own personal judgement..

ie that the Roman Catholic church is TRUE.
[quote]
Budge, it's one thing that you don't agree with Catholics. I get that. But, you seem to reject just about every non-Catholic Christian out there, as well.[/quote]I reject Catholicism, mainline Christianity and Calvinism, the so called daughters. Actually I just moved and could end up in a different kind of Christian church, left my loved indep Baptist church, so I do not believe Christians only exist in one denomination.


[quote]
No one holds the truth but you.[/quote]

No there are others who believe the way I do and adhere to Gods Word.

I am not the only Bible Christian on the planet.

There are millions being converted especially in the third world to Christianity.
[quote]
The world had to wait 2 millenia for a theologian like you to spread the real message of Christianity? Ummm...OK.[/quote]I quote the Bible here, I dont quote a book BUDGE wrote...



[quote]

"What is a Fundamentalist?" Define a Fundamentalist. What makes a person a Fundamentalist? What are the Fundamentals of the Christian Faith?[/quote]

You know them, youre just trying to set a trap.

BTW Calvinism follows the false teachers of Rome, that is how it went wrong, their early councils, those early deceivers like Eusebius, Tertullian and Augustine.

Its very possible youre a born again Christian with some doctrinal problems you need clearned up on.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213619' date='Mar 14 2007, 02:48 PM']Its very possible youre a born again Christian with some doctrinal problems you need cleaned up on.[/quote]

And of course you are qualified to decide if someone has doctrinal issues correct?
What it really means is simply they don't agree with the magisterium of BudgeChurch and you need to fix that.

It must feel really safe to think you have all the answers for everyone else.

[Budge]

[quote]And of course you are qualified to decide if someone has doctrinal issues correct?
What it really means is simply they don't agree with the magisterium of BudgeChurch and you need to fix that.

It must feel really safe to think you have all the answers for everyone else.[/quote]

Even there you show how we both have a different worldview.

You believe it is impossible for one person to say they know the truth.

{which is actually based in moral relativism}

and that is wrong for a person to say they know what is true.

{more moral relativism coupled with the worse of the helgian Dialectic}

I have the Bible [Gods Word] to test things by. It is not my authority, it is Gods.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213634' date='Mar 14 2007, 03:39 PM']Even there you show how we both have a different worldview.
You believe it is impossible for one person to say they know the truth.
{which is actually based in moral relativism}
and that is wrong for a person to say they know what is true.
{more moral relativism coupled with the worse of the helgian Dialectic}
I have the Bible [Gods Word] to test things by. It is not my authority, it is Gods.[/quote]


No, am I saying you have Budges version of truth, which you treat as the gold standard of Christianity and you measure all other people with it. That makes you a little magisterium of one, your own little group.


The Bible is a Catholic Church book, but we don't pretend to interpret it on our own.

1 Cor 12:28: And God has appointed [b]in the church[/b] first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues.

2 Peter 1:20: First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
21: because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Acts 8:And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a minister of the Can'dace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship
28: and was returning; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah.
29: And the Spirit said to Philip, "Go up and join this chariot."
30: So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
31: And he said, "How can I, unless some one guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.



St Paul said "1 Tim3:15: if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which [b]is the church [/b]of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth"

So the Church founded by Jesus Christ is where you can find truth, not in your own interpretation.

[NewReformation]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213619' date='Mar 14 2007, 01:48 PM']Actually he *could" be a Christian but simply be wrong about some doctrinal issues.

True Christians who have been born again and have the Holy Spirit indwelling are Christians.

Now usually this will lead someone to truth, but even that is a process as the Holy Spirit leads them.

Ie I was saved while still within the Catholic Church, left few weeks later.

Hyper-Calvinism sadly makes many of the same errors of Rome. I know I have to do posts on good preachers, the keys and now Calvinism...hehehehe.

You all have the things you believe to be true do you know?

Thusly you have youre own personal judgement..

ie that the Roman Catholic church is TRUE.
I reject Catholicism, mainline Christianity and Calvinism, the so called daughters. Actually I just moved and could end up in a different kind of Christian church, left my loved indep Baptist church, so I do not believe Christians only exist in one denomination.
No there are others who believe the way I do and adhere to Gods Word.

I am not the only Bible Christian on the planet.

There are millions being converted especially in the third world to Christianity.
I quote the Bible here, I dont quote a book BUDGE wrote...


You know them, youre just trying to set a trap.

BTW Calvinism follows the false teachers of Rome, that is how it went wrong, their early councils, those early deceivers like Eusebius, Tertullian and Augustine.

Its very possible youre a born again Christian with some doctrinal problems you need clearned up on.[/quote]

A: I'm not a Hyper-Calvinist

B: I get my theology from the Bible.

C: What is a Fundamentalist?

Bob Gray, an IFB preacher believes that in order for a church to be a "Fundamental" church, they can't listen to CCM, Southern Gospel, or allow women to wear pants. Do you agree?

[Budge]

Reformed Baptists {really you cant be both} are really Presbyterians who do adult baptism...

[NewReformation]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213721' date='Mar 14 2007, 05:26 PM']Reformed Baptists {really you cant be both} are really Presbyterians who do adult baptism...[/quote]

Answer my question please.

[TruthSeeker777]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1213642' date='Mar 14 2007, 10:14 PM']No, am I saying you have Budges version of truth, which you treat as the gold standard of Christianity and you measure all other people with it. That makes you a little magisterium of one, your own little group.
The Bible is a Catholic Church book, but we don't pretend to interpret it on our own.

1 Cor 12:28: And God has appointed [b]in the church[/b] first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues.

2 Peter 1:20: First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
21: because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Acts 8:And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a minister of the Can'dace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship
28: and was returning; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah.
29: And the Spirit said to Philip, "Go up and join this chariot."
30: So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
31: And he said, "How can I, unless some one guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
St Paul said "1 Tim3:15: if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which [b]is the church [/b]of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth"

So the Church founded by Jesus Christ is where you can find truth, not in your own interpretation.[/quote]

I must say,for someone who always have the answers for everything and are never wrong you are pretty harsh on BUDGE.
I like the way you pick out bible verses to your liking,especially 2 Peter 1:20-u love doing that don't you?

The truth can only be found in the word of God,not in a church denomination
Especially not one with all kinds of idols and graven images in and on it.

There is absolutely [b]no[/b] lies in the word of God,not one person that wrote that inspired book,as far as i am concerned
is a pedophile,a rapist a mason or any other dodgy character,the word of God is the [b]only[/b] place to look for answers.
Why on earth do you want to go to the church for answers if you can go straight to the top to YAWEH Himself.
How can you have a personal relationship with Yashua if you don't confess to [b]HIM [/b]and COMMUNICATE with him 24/7 about
everything in your life?

The [b]Church[/b] is in reality the followers of Yashua,the people that live for Him day in day out.
They are the people with a relationship with him,they are the body of the church.

[Budge]

[quote]the word of God is the only place to look for answers.[/quote]

Amen to that.

The fact of the matter is almost every institutional church in the world is going in the toilet [that includes even my old "denomination"]. Ones faith better be based on Jesus Christ and God's word and not on men.

The real Christian church, the ekkelesia continues on...strong.

Edited March 14, 2007 by Budge

[NewReformation]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213754' date='Mar 14 2007, 07:00 PM']Amen to that.

The fact of the matter is almost every institutional church in the world is going in the toilet [that includes even my old "denomination"]. Ones faith better be based on Jesus Christ and God's word and not on men.

The real Christian church, the ekkelesia continues on...strong.[/quote]
What is a Fundamentalist?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213521' date='Mar 14 2007, 12:10 PM']BTW Fulltruth, when youre getting full blown physical manifestations of demons, that is some serious business...
The stuff about knowing "some Nephilims" and some of the other mighty hints youve been dropping on this board, tells me why you are here.

I was not shocked when you started 'fighting" me and posting against my messages here.[/quote]
You don't have to tell me that Demons attacking you and you're feeling the effects physically it's serious business. Over the last two months I have dropped over 15 pounds, much of it from losing my appetite. But that is a small sacrifice for me, when I consider heaven.

Nice subtle hint there Budge. I don't practice any kind of magic, and neither does my family. I am not a Nephilim. I'm not your enemy. I just think you are an opinionated little man who wants to prove you are right and everybody else is wrong. That is not the quality of a Christian, period. I don't like you, but liking you isn't a prerequisite of either of us being in Heaven.

Budge, you are where I was a few months ago. I was totally prejudiced against any other religious ideals. Unless you were oneness, believing the fullness was in Jesus Christ, baptized in Jesus Name, you were going to go to hell. That is a person driven by religious demons.

I didn't start fighting you Budge, you did so during my Sabbath Day Post.

I wish you all the best.

Edited March 15, 2007 by FullTruth

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[quote name='Budge' post='1213521' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:10 AM']BTW Fulltruth, when youre getting full blown physical manifestations of demons, that is some serious business...
The stuff about knowing "some Nephilims" and some of the other mighty hints youve been dropping on this board, tells me why you are here.

I was not shocked when you started 'fighting" me and posting against my messages here.[/quote]

Did you really accuse fulltruth of being demonic?

Budge. I worry that you are slowly losing your grasp on reality. Hating everyone else but you is not christian in any form. regardless of your confessional community

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Truthseeker777' post='1213724' date='Mar 14 2007, 06:35 PM']The truth can only be found in the word of God, not in a church denomination

[color="#4169E1"]St Paul said "1 Tim3:15: if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is [b]the church [/b]of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth"[/color]

Especially not one with all kinds of idols and graven images in and on it.

[color="#4169E1"]You haven't a clue to what a graven image is.[/color]

There is absolutely [b]no[/b] lies in the word of God,not one person that wrote that inspired book,as far as i am concerned
is a pedophile,a rapist a mason or any other dodgy character,the word of God is the [b]only[/b] place to look for answers.

[color="#4169E1"]So you are claiming that the inspired writers of the word of God were sinless? I remind you one was a tax collector and another a murderer.[/color]

Why on earth do you want to go to the church for answers if you can go straight to the top to YAWEH Himself.

[color="#4169E1"]Hey I AM quoting the Bible about the Church, remember? We do go straight to God.[/color]

How can you have a personal relationship with Yashua if you don't confess to [b]HIM [/b]and COMMUNICATE with him 24/7 about
everything in your life?

[color="#4169E1"]How do you assume we don't? Rememer we eat His Body and drink His Blood every time we go to Holy Communion. How much more personal do you think we can get???[/color]
The [b]Church[/b] is in reality the followers of Yashua,the people that live for Him day in day out.
They are the people with a relationship with him,they are the body of the church.

[color="#4169E1"]Again that is not what the quoted scripture says. You wanna tell God His inspired writers were wrong, be my guest.[/color][/quote]

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213521' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:10 AM']BTW Fulltruth, when youre getting full blown physical manifestations of demons, that is some serious business...
The stuff about knowing "some Nephilims" and some of the other mighty hints youve been dropping on this board, tells me why you are here.

I was not shocked when you started 'fighting" me and posting against my messages here.[/quote]

Jeez Budge... I can not believe you just accused FullTruth of being possesed...

[quote name='GloriaIesusChristi' post='1213568' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:49 AM']So not only are you not happy, and definatly not making any sense when it comes to Catholic Dogma (whether it be Byzatine, Roman, or Greek your ignorant of all true and real doctrinal facets.) you're not even happy with your own. Man are you lost or what?! You see I fully believe in the theory that when we act like geniuses to other Christians, God has a way of putting all the dirt we kicked on other Christians back in our faces. Sadly Budge that may happen to you, and when it does I will dance for joy. Catholics have no brawls ( at least I don't) with the majority of Protestant Christianity. But, sadly it seems that in attempt to keep the peace the only ones that are not being peaceful, are Protestant Christians. Protestant Christianity to me keeps Christ's teachings alive under different circumstances.

You, on the other hand, have not even an inkling of what you thing you know about the Catholic faith. You're are accusing it saddens me just as much as it angers me to see a child of God, judging when the they are told not to. (Matthew 7:1) Just because you are an angry ex-catholic who knows how to manipulate Scripture verses to prove your theory (only to your self mind you) does not mean that groups of educated Catholics will start kicking and screaming in the pews with your for theories that make [b]you[/b] happy instead of what makes [b]God[/b] happy.

And, for heaven's sake!! Will you bloody read some church history! If the Catholic church never existed your faith would have never existed, you wouldn't have even knows who to worship or how! So read, read, read Church history! Unless you're too good to know the origin of Christianity.[/quote]

Amen

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1213827' date='Mar 14 2007, 08:36 PM']Did you really accuse fulltruth of being demonic?

Budge. I worry that you are slowly losing your grasp on reality. Hating everyone else but you is not christian in any form. regardless of your confessional community[/quote]

I will pray for you Budge

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1213904' date='Mar 14 2007, 10:06 PM']
Jeez Budge... I can not believe you just accused FullTruth of being possesed...
Amen
I will pray for you Budge[/quote]
After a while, nothing Budge says will shock you!

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213619' date='Mar 14 2007, 02:48 PM']Actually he *could" be a Christian but simply be wrong about some doctrinal issues.

True Christians who have been born again and have the Holy Spirit indwelling are Christians.

Now usually this will lead someone to truth, but even that is a process as the Holy Spirit leads them.

Ie I was saved while still within the Catholic Church, left few weeks later.[/quote]
If you were saying that about me Budge, than I want to thank you.

I think we are fire and gasoline, and we don't mix well with each other. You have a - My way or the high way philosophy, and I am soft with people. I don't think God gets any glory when you are condemning people for doctrinal differences. My purpose here is to feed the sheep of Jesus Christ, bringing them into greater truths, because, ultimately I use the Pauline evangelism technique.

[quote name='1 Corinthians 9:20-22' date=' KJV']And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.[/quote]

Why not try to see those who have the hand of God on their lives, and be their friend, and sharing your insights with them, bringing them one step closer so they can equip themselves to fight the serpent and his seed. I'm not talking about Inter-faith talks, but helping them fight against the firey darts of the devil.

Some of your comments about Catholics not understanding Nephilim come off like a Pharisee. Did you know you don't even have to know about them to be saved, but the Gosple of Budge would say Catholics are spiritually in darkness, and therefore going straight to hell.

Have you even asked me what I believe?

I can pretty much sum it up like this.

I believe God made the world in 6 days. Man sinned, and gave his dominion over to the Devil and the Devil's seed. Just before the flood, the Nephilim abounded in the earth, enslaving ordinary human beings. God didn't like that, and saved Noah, his wife, his sons and their wives, and two of every type of animal into the Ark.

After, King Solomon made a great mistake, he had 700 wives and 300 concubines of women of the heathen nation, and the children he had with them are the ancestors of those we call the Illuminati, and gave the Nephilim claim to the bloodline of David, which they are going to use to prompt up their Anti-Christ, who will say he is the true Messiah.

When the fulness of time came around, God manifested himself in the flesh to create the Christ, the second part of God, the Great I AM (I AM, meaning the self(single person)-existant one(singluar), and now comes as the Holy Ghost, the third part of God, the self-existant one.

The Christ, being a different part of God, has his own personality, because he is fully God and fully man - therefore he is a seperate person, and yet part of the one person, God the great I AM.

Before you say, Isn't the Christ Co-Eternal with God, I agree with you in a fashion. In Heaven/Glory/Eternity, there is no time, so when the Christ is brought into glory, he exists before time, and there he is the lamb slain before the foundation of the earth. That is why the KJV is correct when it says that the Son is the only begotten son of the father. Begotten means sired, means the Christ has a beginning in time, but once he is in glory, he exists beyond time, so God can fulfill Genesis 1:26-27.

[quote name='Genesis 1:26-27' date=' JPS']And God said: 'Let [b]us[/b] make man in [b]our[/b] image, after [b]our[/b] likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.' And God created man in [b]His[/b] own image, in the image of God created [b]He[/b] him; male and female created [b]He[/b] them.[/quote]

These Scripture proclaims God is plural in persons and also single in person. The three are one person, one lord over all the earth. I have no other lord than Jesus Christ, pure and simple, for Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is YHWH our saving cry, or I AM your saving cry.

Thrus God is three and God is one, making him a both plural and singular at the same time. There is three in heaven, but they are one person in unity. I believe in the tri-unity of God. I believe there are Three seperate persons of God, but they are a single person, the Great I AM.

[Budge]

Isnt it serious business for someone to be having physical manifestations of demons, hearing them singing, feeling them sting them?


Wouldnt some of you Catholics go running to a priest for help if this was happening to you?

I dont want to see anyone suffering this, I would hope Fulltruth knows how to get rid of these evil spriits rebuking them in Jesus's name.

[NewReformation]

What is a Fundamentalist?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Budge' post='1214005' date='Mar 15 2007, 09:26 AM']Isnt it serious business for someone to be having physical manifestations of demons, hearing them singing, feeling them sting them?
Wouldnt some of you Catholics go running to a priest for help if this was happening to you?

I dont want to see anyone suffering this, I would hope Fulltruth knows how to get rid of these evil spriits rebuking them in Jesus's name.[/quote]
First of all, I'm not Catholic. I am non-denominational.

Second, I have gotten rid of the demons in the name of Jesus Christ. Right now I mainly in a rest period in the battle. It doesn't mean they don't attack me, but the frequency of the attacks have been reduced a great deal.

When I equate the NWO to retards trying to win a war against God, a being they live and move and have their being in, I think they get offended and they use whatever weapon in their arsenol to destroy me. Fortunately,

[quote name='Isaiah 54:17' date=' JPS']No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their due reward from Me, saith the LORD.[/quote]

Nephilim can throw their magicks against me, and use whatever weapon they have at their disposal, but I send it back at them in the name of Jesus Christ, taking the weapon they formed against me, and causing it not to prosper, for the glory of God.

I love calling them out. The more frequent the attacks, the faster we can reclaim our world from them.

Third, that doesn't mean more won't come against me, for the simple reason, I am telling people how to take back our planet from the Nephilim - [b]which is in the name of Jesus Christ[/b].

This response is a little more kind of you Budge. I was going to really rebuke you for what you said yesterday, but from your response today, I think the gentle rebukes from 'Catholics who are in spiritual darkness' have shown you had gone too far. I'm only going to leave you these scriptures to free you from the, 'If you don't agree with me you're in darkness' attitude.

[quote name='Mark 9:37-41' date=' KJV']Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

[b]And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.[/b]

But [b]Jesus[/b] said, [b]Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

For he that is not against us is on our part.

For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.[/b][/quote]

If someone is using the name of Jesus Christ to battle the darkness of the serpent and his seed in our world, than he is for Jesus Christ, and is for you as well!

I am also showing these scriptures to the Roman Catholics who also have the 'if you don't agree with us you're in darkness' attitude as well, so don't think I'm pointing you out.

Edited March 15, 2007 by FullTruth