False Flag Terror Events

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Maggie' post='1215010' date='Mar 17 2007, 03:42 PM']The people who treated you badly and judged you because of your mother were wrong to do so. It was an unjust sin on their part. God certainly wouldn't do that to you! The Lord doesn't give people "the evil eye" or otherwise curse them because of their ancestry. I mean, He is God, not a witch. I really don't think He sends "Familiar Spirits" to tempt children to sin for generations and generations. That sounds like something the Devil would do, not an act of the All Holy God.

On another note, the reason alcoholic parents tend to have alcoholic children can be traced to a number of factors, including genetics and the environment they were raised in. And there are a lot of people who have broken the familial cycle of addiction without being baptized or choosing Jesus.

I am glad that you have overcome the judgmental attitudes of people who viewed you as corrupt "because how far could the acorn be from the tree." But God never, ever thought about you that way, even before you gave your life to Him! [/quote]
He doesn't send Familiar Spirits, they just attach themselves to your family, learn your weaknesses, and then tempt you with your weaknesses once and a while.

But I agree there is certain biological and environmental influences can lead to addictive behaviour as well. Familiar Spirits learn these through your behaviour, and then they keep you in a certain pattern through out your life, which is why they are called Familiar Spirits. That is until you decide, enough's enough. I will draw the line and I will never engage in those behaviours ever, ever again. It has happened to many people in the United Pentecostal Church. They go to the altar drunk, and then they come out of a prayer of repentance sober and never take a drink or do drugs again.

On your second statement, I might be misunderstanding you. I would say the reason Alcoholism and Drug Addiction is in that family is because they haven't been baptized and repented before the lord. Once you repent of your sins (I.e. addictions) and are baptized, God can deliever you from that family curse, and take your addiction from Alcohol or Drugs away from you. I would expect the curse to continue a 100 generations.

I have come far from the curses others may put on me from my mother's behaviour. I just wanted to use that as an example of why the sinful nature of President Bush's Grand Father can be transferred to President Bush, and it does have a biblical foundation.

One of the first things I totally found disgusting about George Bush is his willingness to pray in public. I would worship in public, and say the Lord Jesus Christ is my lord and saviour to another without hesitation, because Jesus Christ is my lord and saviour, but Praying in Public is something Christians shouldn't really accept.

[quote name='Matthew 6:4-6' date=' KJV']That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

[b]And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.[/b]

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.[/quote]

I don't think people should publically pray ever. There shouldn't be any acceptable time to pray where many see you, unless it is in the temple, and everybody is praying.

Edited March 17, 2007 by FullTruth

[Maggyie]

So you would find prayer in schools, prayer before opening a legislative session, praying in a restaurant before meals offensive? I'm just wondering how far you carry this.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Maggie' post='1215010' date='Mar 17 2007, 03:42 PM']The people who treated you badly and judged you because of your mother were wrong to do so. It was an unjust sin on their part. God certainly wouldn't do that to you! The Lord doesn't give people "the evil eye" or otherwise curse them because of their ancestry. I mean, He is God, not a witch. I really don't think He sends "Familiar Spirits" to tempt children to sin for generations and generations. That sounds like something the Devil would do, not an act of the All Holy God.

On another note, the reason alcoholic parents tend to have alcoholic children can be traced to a number of factors, including genetics and the environment they were raised in. And there are a lot of people who have broken the familial cycle of addiction without being baptized or choosing Jesus.

I am glad that you have overcome the judgmental attitudes of people who viewed you as corrupt "because how far could the acorn be from the tree." But God never, ever thought about you that way, even before you gave your life to Him! [/quote]
Although I agree with you that their judgement was an unjust sin, I will not hold it against them. They have no clue to who I am, or how the Lord has delievered me out of many of my families curses.

God doesn't send Familiar Spirits, they just attach themselves to your family, learn your weaknesses, and then tempt you with your weaknesses once and a while.

On your second statement, I might be misunderstanding you. I would say the reason Alcoholism and Drug Addiction is in that family is because they haven't been baptized and repented before the lord. Once you repent of your sins (I.e. addictions) and are baptized, God can deliever you from that family curse, and take your addiction from Alcohol or Drugs away from you. It has happened to many people in the United Pentecostal Church. They go to the altar drunk, and then they come out of a prayer of repentance sober and never take a drink again.

I have come far from the curses others may put on me from my mother's behaviour. First of all, I can keep a steady job, I've graduated College, amongst other things. My mother's curse has lead her to not keeping a steady job and being on welfare, not graduating college and many other things. I just wanted to use that as an example of why the sinful nature, not sins, of President Bush's Grand Father can be pasted to the current President, and it does have biblical foundation.

One of the first things I totally found disgusting about George Bush is his willingness to pray in public. I would worship in public, and say the Lord Jesus Christ is my lord and saviour to another without hesitation, because Jesus Christ is my lord and saviour, but Praying in Public is something Christians shouldn't really accept.

[quote name='Matthew 6:4-6' date=' KJV']That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

[b]And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.[/b]

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.[/quote]

I don't think people should publically pray ever. There shouldn't be any acceptable time to pray where many see you, unless it is in the temple, and everybody is praying.

If prayer is a publicity event, than it isn't a good thing.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Maggie' post='1215025' date='Mar 17 2007, 04:02 PM']So you would find prayer in schools, prayer before opening a legislative session, praying in a restaurant before meals offensive? I'm just wondering how far you carry this.[/quote]
I wouldn't find prayers in schools offensive, because if God is in the classroom atmosphere - and when two or three gather together in his name he will be in the midst - than God can create smarter children by being involved in their education.

Prayers before legislative session, I WOULD HOPE SO - because if God isn't involved in the political process, than things would degenerate quickly.

Praying in a restaurant before meals - you're actually praising God for his goodness of speaking the animals and plants you are about to eat into existance, so it isn't prayer, but worship which I am not against. We should be praising God for his goodness in public every single day.

PRAYERS ON NATIONAL TV - never! It's disgusting, and it is only a publicity event.

[FullTruth]

Who wants to continue debating the 9/11 theory I just presented?

[Urib2007]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1215001' date='Mar 17 2007, 10:36 AM']If I am adding any inaccuracies, it is because I don't know everything. I'm not a Satanist Budge, and I know there is nothing I can do and say to prove that I am not.[/quote]

I wouldn't waste my time debating or talking to Budge. She thinks we are all satanists.
We don't have to prove anything to her. She's not Yahweh. Yahweh will judge her actions and how she's
wrongly accused us of things which we are not.

[jeffpugh]

yeah, funny thing is, Budge has not said much... good thing though. Anywho this 9,11 thing is really out there. Where do you people find this stuff? I only spend my internet surfing time on Phatmass or certain traditional tune sites to learn more about my heritage... and there is always Zenit news agency... I usually burn time on Homestar Runner too... anywho my point is, its pretty interesting that all of this stuff culminated into such an accusation...

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1215185' date='Mar 17 2007, 08:18 PM']yeah, funny thing is, Budge has not said much... good thing though. Anywho this 9,11 thing is really out there. Where do you people find this stuff? I only spend my internet surfing time on Phatmass or certain traditional tune sites to learn more about my heritage... and there is always Zenit news agency... I usually burn time on Homestar Runner too... anywho my point is, its pretty interesting that all of this stuff culminated into such an accusation...[/quote]
I learned much of this stuff about 4-5 months ago through

[url="http://www.prisionplanet.com/"]http://www.prisionplanet.com/[/url]
[url="http://www.infowars.com/"]http://www.infowars.com/[/url]
[url="http://www.markdice.com/"]http://www.markdice.com/[/url]
and
[url="http://www.911essentials.com/"]http://www.911essentials.com/[/url]

Once you learn the ideas, you can then go onto the Internet.

It should not be surprising that over 1/2 of American's believe the American Government is withholding information concerning 9/11, and over 32 per cent believe that 9/11 is an inside job.

Want to know why I really don't trust President Bush. The day he declared war on Iraq, the spirit testified that we were taking a step closer to the Kingdom of the Anti-Christ. If President Bush had the same Holy Ghost that I had, then why was he taking a step closer to it?

I didn't know anything about Alex Jones or Mark Dice or the others back then, I only knew what the Spirit testified to me. As I started to find snipits of information here and there, I started to see some paraelles that others miss, and each piece of information just confirmed my initial reaction, President Bush is not a Christian and is not to be trusted.

What I am presenting here is 5 years of God's movement in my life, and my investigations into 9/11.

Edited March 17, 2007 by FullTruth

[Jaime]

[quote]It should not be surprising that over 1/2 of American's believe the American Government is withholding information concerning 9/11, and over 32 per cent believe that 9/11 is an inside job.[/quote]

1/2 of Americans cannot name Canada on a map. 1/3 of Americans wonder why Gilligan was never able to get off the island with so much media coverage.

So no its not that surprising.

[Urib2007]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1215185' date='Mar 17 2007, 04:18 PM']Where do you people find this stuff? I only spend my internet surfing time on Phatmass or certain traditional tune sites to learn more about my heritage... and there is always Zenit news agency... I usually burn time on Homestar Runner too... anywho my point is, its pretty interesting that all of this stuff culminated into such an accusation...[/quote]

There's a really great documentary that you can either buy or watch for free on Google Video (Fixxxer's favorite (*sarcasm*). Anyway, it's called [b][i]Terror Storm[/b][/i] and is close to 2 hours long. It's definitely worth watching because it has so much proof. Also, it's not boring, so you won't be falling asleep in your chair. If you can make the extra time to view it, you'd learn quite a lot in a short amount of time.
I'll post the link on here just in case you're interested in watching the documentary.

[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4757274759497686216"]Terror Storm [/url]

[FullTruth]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1215195' date='Mar 17 2007, 09:08 PM']1/2 of Americans cannot name Canada on a map. 1/3 of Americans wonder why Gilligan was never able to get off the island with so much media coverage.

So no its not that surprising.[/quote]
I think Americans should be suspicious of its government. It is the actual foundation of Democracy. You stand in the way of a corrupt politician and make him straighten his way.

hot stuff,

Can I ask you something-

Do you think our entire world is living in prosperity? Do you believe you are living in prosperity?

If you believe No and Yes, you have been lied too. You don't live in prosperity. You and/or your parents are probably eye deep in debt, working at thankless jobs trying to put food on the table and pay bills. If you think that is progress and liberity and the pursuit of happiness, you're kidding yourself.

But you watch MTV and hollywood movies and you get medicated from how bad the world really is. You don't notice, and don't want to notice how bad the world. You have been brainwashed by Desperate Housewives, Metalica, Smashing Pumpkins, and the Terminator.

I don't live in the same world. I have come out of it, because I know how evil and drugging that world is. To paraphrase a Communist Quote about all religions - TV is the opium of the people. It is a poison because it medicates a person so they don't try to achieve their personal best, and hence it is against society.

The world is bad, but what can I do about it? I'm just a single person.

I've had enough scriptural transformations that I don't ask that question anymore, because it is not I who is changing the world, it is my Lord Jesus Christ who has changed, is changing, and will continue to change the world. I'm just glad he is my lord and he gets to work through me to bring the current world order to its knees.

The Illuminati has a stranglehold over humanity, and they are squeezing the life out of the human race with finanical debt, false religions, and TV that people will flock to recieve their dose of medication, so they don't fight back.

[cmotherofpirl]

Much as I like you guys, I think anyone who takes these 9/11 conspiracy theories seriously has serious mental issues, and needs to see a shrink. I cannot put it more politely than that.

[Jaime]

[quote]QUOTE(hot stuff @ Mar 17 2007, 09:08 PM) *


hot stuff,

Can I ask you something-

Do you think our entire world is living in prosperity? Do you believe you are living in prosperity?[/quote]

No the world is not living in prosperity

Yes I am living in tremendous prosperity. And no I'm not fooling myself. I'm not rich by society's standards but I have a ridiculous amount of wealth by global standards. I own my own home, I drive a nice car and I foolishly gripe when my satellite tv goes out.

And not that its any of your business but I am far from being in debt up to my eyeballs. My money is managed well and if my job stopped tomorrow, I'd be fine for several months while I went out looking for a new gig.

But let me ask you something FullTruth. Have you experienced any other part of the world? Have you lived with the poor in a developing country? I'm gonna guess "no". You see that kind of gift gives a whole new perception on events both here and abroad. It puts things into perspective. There isn't a day that goes by that my time in Guatemala doesn't factor in somehow. (Mostly to remind me exactly why I have absolutely no reason to gripe)

I would respectfully suggest that you try truly serving your brethren for a while by helping the poor somewhere. It will put perspective on these conspiracies and on your life. Its clear you want to help people. Please think about doing that in a more hands on sense.

[hoosieranna]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1215227' date='Mar 17 2007, 08:50 PM']Much as I like you guys, I think anyone who takes these 9/11 conspiracy theories seriously has serious mental issues, and needs to see a shrink. I cannot put it more politely than that.[/quote]

Quick hijack. I want to repeat that I'm a skeptic of all conspiracy theories, including this one. I just thought FullTruth (GodSeeker) did a decent job of keeping the hysteria to a minimum. Thanks.

Back on topic.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1215229' date='Mar 17 2007, 10:20 PM']No the world is not living in prosperity

Yes I am living in tremendous prosperity. And no I'm not fooling myself. I'm not rich by society's standards but I have a ridiculous amount of wealth by global standards. I own my own home, I drive a nice car and I foolishly gripe when my satellite tv goes out.

And not that its any of your business but I am far from being in debt up to my eyeballs. My money is managed well and if my job stopped tomorrow, I'd be fine for several months while I went out looking for a new gig.

But let me ask you something FullTruth. Have you experienced any other part of the world? Have you lived with the poor in a developing country? I'm gonna guess "no". You see that kind of gift gives a whole new perception on events both here and abroad. It puts things into perspective. There isn't a day that goes by that my time in Guatemala doesn't factor in somehow. (Mostly to remind me exactly why I have absolutely no reason to gripe)

I would respectfully suggest that you try truly serving your brethren for a while by helping the poor somewhere. It will put perspective on these conspiracies and on your life. Its clear you want to help people. Please think about doing that in a more hands on sense.[/quote]
I respect that.

I don't have any experience in other parts of the world, but I do have a desire to do help them. I've always wanted to be a part of some relief effort as an E-Journalist.

My Plans, as of right now are,

1.) Go to College and get a degree which will help me get into the video gaming field.
2.) Take the next 6 months after that to do relief work.

The current conditions in the third world really wont make me see what is going on in the entire planet differently, because I know the Elite is putting the stranglehold on the poor countries more to make them desperate enough to commit acts such as 9/11 so they can clamp down on humanity more. In 10 years, I don't think there will be much of a distinction between the First World and the Third World.

An interesting statistic is being found. Bee populations have disappered in 22 states across the U.S. Without bee populations, crops will not be polyinated, and that will be the start of the opening of the third seal of the Book of Revelation, because when crops don't get polyinated crops fail. Food prices sky rocket, and we will see third world conditions here in Canada and the U. S.

The comfortable living you are enjoying right now will not last very long. Time is closing in on itself.

[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/13/eveningnews/main2471672.shtml"]CBS News -The Case Of The Vanishing Bees[/url]

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/11/AR2007021100650.html"]Washington Post - Mystery Ailment Strikes Honeybees[/url]

Two highly credited News Outlets are warning us this is happening, and when it happens, there will be drought and famine here in the first world, such that we will be in the same conditions as the third world.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1215195' date='Mar 17 2007, 09:08 PM']1/2 of Americans cannot name Canada on a map. 1/3 of Americans wonder why Gilligan was never able to get off the island with so much media coverage.

So no its not that surprising.[/quote]



[quote name='FullTruth' post='1215209' date='Mar 17 2007, 09:25 PM']I think Americans should be suspicious of its government. It is the actual foundation of Democracy. You stand in the way of a corrupt politician and make him straighten his way.

hot stuff,

Can I ask you something-

Do you think our entire world is living in prosperity? Do you believe you are living in prosperity?

If you believe No and Yes, you have been lied too. You don't live in prosperity. You and/or your parents are probably eye deep in debt, working at thankless jobs trying to put food on the table and pay bills. If you think that is progress and liberity and the pursuit of happiness, you're kidding yourself.

But you watch MTV and hollywood movies and you get medicated from how bad the world really is. You don't notice, and don't want to notice how bad the world. You have been brainwashed by Desperate Housewives, Metalica, Smashing Pumpkins, and the Terminator.

I don't live in the same world. I have come out of it, because I know how evil and drugging that world is. To paraphrase a Communist Quote about all religions - TV is the opium of the people. It is a poison because it medicates a person so they don't try to achieve their personal best, and hence it is against society.

The world is bad, but what can I do about it? I'm just a single person.

I've had enough scriptural transformations that I don't ask that question anymore, because it is not I who is changing the world, it is my Lord Jesus Christ who has changed, is changing, and will continue to change the world. I'm just glad he is my lord and he gets to work through me to bring the current world order to its knees.

The Illuminati has a stranglehold over humanity, and they are squeezing the life out of the human race with finanical debt, false religions, and TV that people will flock to recieve their dose of medication, so they don't fight back.[/quote]

I don't think hot stuff is the kind who watches a lot of TV... he seems to counter-cultural for that. Correct me if I'm wrong. Personally, I don't watch TV most of the time but busy myself with the work of Christ and learning about His Church, His teaching through the Majesterium and The Word.

Gloria in Excelsis Deo!

[PS if my Latin is bad I would humbly accept a correctino ]

[jeffpugh]

I must stand corrected on my previous post. Because of the fact the Server for the Forum likes to take its time for loading, and sometimes not load at all, this post came after hot stuff's reply. To clarify, I do read all of the posts most of the time, especially when there are only two pages.

Now, back to our regular skeptical programing.

Edited March 18, 2007 by Sacred Music Man

[Megz]

I think its rediculious to say that we do not live in prosperity, becuase even with debt, and everything we are prosperous we have money, maybe mismannage it, but its there.

Plus, the poorest in the US are FAR better off than many in foreign countries. If its a life or death emergency they have a hospital they can go to. We have law and order, there are shelters (while many are mentally disturbed and do not chose to utalize them its a different story) Many are in poverty in the US but their children don't have to work and can go to school for free. There is ALWAYS a way, although for many its difficult and can harldy make ends meet, the fact is they are still better off than those elseware in the world.

Finally to say that TV is drugging people into thinking they have it good is SILLY. It more likely induces feelings of inadequacy and shortcoming. I KNOW because I'm in marketing. Its supposed to do that. TV does not say that you are good enough. The TV DOES say the rest of the world is horrible, every night on the evening news they focus on all the countries blowing eachother to bits. The overwhelming blood, gore and poverty flashed before our eyes to illicit sympathy and to create a hopelessness at the world and the idea we cannot fix it. Therefore, focus on ourselves. Mass over-consumerism.

I do believe in generational curses not of learned or given behavior. Its written about in many church teachings, which I've had to learn about. I don't know them now, but I can post the prayer to break generatial curses if anyone's intrested.

I do NOT believe that 9/11 is a conspirsy any more than Perl harbor was a conspirisy or that the Battle of Bull Run was a conspirisy. I DO believe that Abarham Lincolin was the Bush of his time, and if anyone reads "The Real Lincolin" the parallels are amazing and uncontable.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Megz' post='1215287' date='Mar 18 2007, 12:07 AM']I think its rediculious to say that we do not live in prosperity, becuase even with debt, and everything we are prosperous we have money, maybe mismannage it, but its there.

Plus, the poorest in the US are FAR better off than many in foreign countries. If its a life or death emergency they have a hospital they can go to. We have law and order, there are shelters (while many are mentally disturbed and do not chose to utalize them its a different story) Many are in poverty in the US but their children don't have to work and can go to school for free. There is ALWAYS a way, although for many its difficult and can harldy make ends meet, the fact is they are still better off than those elseware in the world.

Finally to say that TV is drugging people into thinking they have it good is SILLY. It more likely induces feelings of inadequacy and shortcoming. I KNOW because I'm in marketing. Its supposed to do that. TV does not say that you are good enough. The TV DOES say the rest of the world is horrible, every night on the evening news they focus on all the countries blowing eachother to bits. The overwhelming blood, gore and poverty flashed before our eyes to illicit sympathy and to create a hopelessness at the world and the idea we cannot fix it. Therefore, focus on ourselves. Mass over-consumerism.

I do believe in generational curses not of learned or given behavior. Its written about in many church teachings, which I've had to learn about. I don't know them now, but I can post the prayer to break generatial curses if anyone's intrested.

I do NOT believe that 9/11 is a conspirsy any more than Perl harbor was a conspirisy or that the Battle of Bull Run was a conspirisy. I DO believe that Abarham Lincolin was the Bush of his time, and if anyone reads "The Real Lincolin" the parallels are amazing and uncontable.[/quote]
I've got one really simple prayer to break a Generational Curse.

"Lord Jesus Christ, I am a sinner. I have looked at each of the 10 commandments and I have broken each of them, even murder because even the smallest lie I said murdered you so you could forgive my sins. Please forgive me, I didn't know what I was doing. Please become my lord and saviour, and guide me in this life so I will live a life of praise before you. I pray this in the holy and exalted name of Jesus Christ, Amen."

That will break a generational curse.

On our prosperity - wait till all our crops fail due to bees disappearing. Then we'll be in the same position as the third world, because there will be massive riots, massive starvation and massive death all around us, because we can't feed ourselves.

The Elite have already planned for this, because they want to get rid of as many people as possible, so they can create a slave race for themselves. Fortunately, there are enough of us how know of this, and we're going into a spiritual battleground to destroy the Spiritual Power of the Elite.

TV does medicate you. It takes up your time, and it drives your imagination, stealing your ability to think and feel independantely. You get homogonized into thinking and feeling the same way that everybody else does.

One of the things I admired about UPC people who really stood up for Holiness Standards as it came to movies and TV, was quotes like this,

[quote name=' From a United Pentecostal Preacher during a Youth Convention']I was talking to this woman on the flight to Ontario. She started to talk about the movie Titanic. I told her I never watched the movie. She looked at me and said, everybody in the world has watched that movie. I told her I wasn't of this world.[/quote]

TV and movies are a medication because you don't think about anything else but the Next Ally McFeel, Terminator movie, and Desperate Housewives. And didn't you just see that latest Deal or No Deal. And that Janelle from Big Brother is . . .

So we go around in an endless cycle talking about really stupid stuff, instead of learning and sharing what we are learning about God, and fighting the Elite.

[Jaime]

Megz you had me until the comparison between Lincoln and Bush