School Chants We Love Jesus

[thessalonian]

Ok, I was going to put this in open mike but maybe it is better here. It may seem insentive to chant "we love Jesus" at a basketball game with a chool that had many jewish students. Certainly painting Jew o nthe wall was not good. But I have to wonder if Stephen would have got sensitivity training for his words in Acts 8. Methinks today he woud. Here's the story. Discuss.

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[FullTruth]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1214928' date='Mar 17 2007, 11:24 AM']Ok, I was going to put this in open mike but maybe it is better here. It may seem insentive to chant "we love Jesus" at a basketball game with a chool that had many jewish students. Certainly painting Jew o nthe wall was not good. But I have to wonder if Stephen would have got sensitivity training for his words in Acts 8. Methinks today he woud. Here's the story. Discuss.

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If they really loved Jesus, they would follow the pauline command,

[quote name='1 Corinthians 9:20-22' date=' KJV']And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.[/quote]

If they truly love Jesus Christ, they would try to relate to the Jews as the Jews are so they can win some souls to calvery. They wouldn't start chanting something like that, because that is now how God wants us to live.

[cmotherofpirl]

Using the name of God to insult or offend is a sin.

[Jaime]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1215228' date='Mar 17 2007, 06:51 PM']Using the name of God to insult or offend is a sin.[/quote]


I'm with Cmom on this one. I doubt there were any conversions during the basketball game because of their actions

[N/A Gone]

sensitivity training is more of a desensitizing then anything else. WHich is sad, you can not passionatly discuss or have change if you are taught to not care.

good one satan. touche

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1215233' date='Mar 17 2007, 10:38 PM']sensitivity training is more of a desensitizing then anything else. WHich is sad, you can not passionatly discuss or have change if you are taught to not care.

good one satan. touche[/quote]
That is an interesting point of view.

I was only using the Pauline be as the person you are talking to technique to remind us, we should be passionate about the Christ, but not to the point we start chanting it when your school team is playing another school team in a pre-dominately Jewish school. That is a little over the top, and I would definitely agree with some people's posts - using the Lord's name to insult another person is evil.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1215228' date='Mar 17 2007, 07:51 PM']Using the name of God to insult or offend is a sin.[/quote]
Agreed.

[catholicinsd]

I was recently at a B-Ball game at a private school. There's a thread about in OM, but anyway we, the fans, were able to control ourselves for most of the game.

[Fixxxer]

Conan O'brien talked about it like two weeks ago, i laughed at that. I was thinking even thats a little far for what my school does.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1215228' date='Mar 17 2007, 08:51 PM']Using the name of God to insult or offend is a sin.[/quote]


So St. Stephen was guilty of a sin in using Jesus to offend those in Acts 7? He usde Jesus to offend the Jews and ended up the first martyr of the Church. I think you are making a judgement here we cannot make of all involved. If the intent was simply to offend with no real love for Jesus then I would agree, those individuals were guilty of sin. But I don't think you can make that blanket judgement here. But to chant "we love Jesus" at a basketball game with Jews present is not neccessarily a sin. I can't agree with that, whether it offends or not.

As for there being no converts at the game, that is likely true. However there were no converts in Acts 8, but one man who was there was later converted and became the greatest evangelist of all time. God knows the end result of actions and these days we are too afraid of offending and hold back on speaking the name of Christ!

As with rev sensitivity training bothers me.

Edited March 19, 2007 by thessalonian

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1215941' date='Mar 19 2007, 06:42 PM']So St. Stephen was guilty of a sin in using Jesus to offend those in Acts 7? He usde Jesus to offend the Jews and ended up the first martyr of the Church. I think you are making a judgement here we cannot make of all involved. If the intent was simply to offend with no real love for Jesus then I would agree, those individuals were guilty of sin. But I don't think you can make that blanket judgement here. But to chant "we love Jesus" at a basketball game with Jews present is not neccessarily a sin. I can't agree with that, whether it offends or not.

As for there being no converts at the game, that is likely true. However there were no converts in Acts 8, but one man who was there was later converted and became the greatest evangelist of all time. God knows the end result of actions and these days we are too afraid of offending and hold back on speaking the name of Christ!

As with rev sensitivity training bothers me.[/quote]

Of course they did it to offend- it was a basketball game. You seriously don't think it was an attempt at conversion.
Using the name of God to insult or offend is sinful. St Stephen might be a saint, but not too bright in my book. St Paul was a much better evangelist.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1215954' date='Mar 19 2007, 06:20 PM']St Stephen might be a saint, [b]but not too bright in my book[/b]. St Paul was a much better evangelist.[/quote]


WOW, I certainly wouldn't have expected this from you. Those words of his were from the HOLY SPIRIT! What is bright to you? Silence? Paul's words even offended sometimes and he got the hell beat out of him. I have heard it said that his words were the beginning seeds of Paul's conversion. CMP, you are judging. That is all I can say. The Bible does not give us the final results of his words. We don't know if more were converted or how many. His martyrdom certainly planted a seed as all true martyrdoms do.

Edited March 19, 2007 by thessalonian

[thessalonian]

So was Jesus not to bright in Matt 23. Read it. It makes Stephen's words sound like a sunday sermon at a Unitarian Universalist Church in comparison. Do you think he won any converts with that one? Was paul a much better evangelist than Jesus too?

Like I said, I am amazed by your last comment.

Edited March 19, 2007 by thessalonian

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Actually, St. Stephen's speech was brilliant. He recounted the whole of salvation history, showing particularly how the Jews kept on killing the prophets and forsaking their covenant...and in response, they killed him while he was doing prophetic work. They proved his point for him. I don't think he did it to offend, but he was trying to demonstrate how they had continually failed the covenant. There's no nice way to do that. Nowadays, we don't really emphasize it because, well, the Jews know we believe it and we've gotten past that so that we can work on other matters...but someone had to say it first.

Anyway, I agree with Cmom, hot stuff, and Sojourner that this would seem to be a vain use of the Name of Jesus.

[thessalonian]

Once again, I don't think you can make that judgement of all chanters. That is all I am saying. I am most certainly agreeing that it may well have been sinful for some of them. Likely even the ones who started the chant. Further we certainly weren't there and there may be other circumstances that brought about the chant. We don't know. I am simply raising the issue is all. Interestingly our life teen night last night was exactly on the topic of judging others and I think that is what is going on here. Once again to do this chant to intimidate is wrong. I have not denied that it is a sin and have no problem declaring something a sin.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1215962' date='Mar 19 2007, 07:29 PM'] WOW, I certainly wouldn't have expected this from you. Those words of his were from the HOLY SPIRIT! What is bright to you? Silence? Paul's words even offended sometimes and he got the hell beat out of him. I have heard it said that his words were the beginning seeds of Paul's conversion. CMP, you are judging. That is all I can say. The Bible does not give us the final results of his words. We don't know if more were converted or how many. His martyrdom certainly planted a seed as all true martyrdoms do.[/quote]

They might have been brilliant, but they got him martyred. I have always thought he had more zeal than brains, and I always wished he could have changed his approach and lived to preach to more people. Many Saints have preached to hostile crowds and lived, like St Paul, who converted untold numbers.
Think of St Francis preaching to the Sultan.

[Socrates]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1216104' date='Mar 19 2007, 07:44 PM']They might have been brilliant, but they got him martyred. I have always thought he had more zeal than brains, and I always wished he could have changed his approach and lived to preach to more people. Many Saints have preached to hostile crowds and lived, like St Paul, who converted untold numbers.
Think of St Francis preaching to the Sultan.[/quote]
Wow.

Way to demean all the holy martyrs of the Church.

If the early Christians had been like today's "Catholics," we'd all be hanging around giving libations to Caesar and debating the merits of ritual sodomy.

[thessalonian]

I'm flabbergasted as well. Were not the early martyrs said to be the seeds planted that converted the Roman empire? They laid a foundation upon which men were willing to die for what they beleived that eventually one the hard hearts of the roman emporer Constantine and converted Rome to Christ. The Evenagelists of the time would not have been nearly as successful without them. What? Should they have denied their faith in Christ? Is that what we call smart these days? Stephen spoke the word of God, intended by God for our benefit in scripture and he is dumb? speachless is all I can say. Edited March 20, 2007 by thessalonian

[cmotherofpirl]

I know I know, but from the first time I read his words, all I could picture was the Lord standing at the pearly gates [ since it was before St Peter died] saying "what ? Already??"
There is nothing wrong with me [b]wishing[/b] the guy could have been around longer.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1216120' date='Mar 19 2007, 07:03 PM']Wow.

Way to demean all the holy martyrs of the Church.

If the early Christians had been like today's "Catholics," we'd all be hanging around giving libations to Caesar and debating the merits of ritual sodomy.[/quote]

Yeah that's what Cmom is saying