Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 So much for that: Benedict XVI Warns of Syncretism Dialogue Doesn't Imply All Religions Are Same, He Says VATICAN CITY, MARCH 30, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI says that dialogue between cultures and religions is fundamental, but it must not fall into syncretism, which puts every sort of belief on the same level. Lasting peace and development depend on this, he said today in an audience with the new Ukrainian ambassador to the Holy See, Tetiana Izhevska. The Holy Father stated: "In our world, evermore conditioned by the urgencies of globalization, a deep and demanding dialogue is necessary between cultures and religions. But this is not to diminish them with an impoverishing syncretism; rather, it is to enable them to develop in a climate of reciprocal respect so that each one works, according to its own charism, for the common good. "This perspective surely will permit the lessening of ever possible causes of tension and disagreements between groups or nations, and guarantee for all the conditions of lasting peace and development." Benedict XVI recognized that Ukraine is a "door between the East and the West because of its geographical location." He encouraged "productive exchange … between the two cultural lungs that have forged European history and in particular characterized its Christian history." The Pope added: "I am certain that Ukraine, deeply imbued with the Gospel in its life, culture and institutions, ever since its baptism more than 1,000 years ago in Kiev, will concern itself with bringing the dynamism of its identity to other nations, maintaining its original characteristics." Taken from zenit.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 sorry they can warn about it all they want but THEIR ACTIONS say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1224021' date='Mar 31 2007, 11:51 AM']sorry they can warn about it all they want but THEIR ACTIONS say otherwise.[/quote] So, you basically don't care what the Church teaches, but instead rely on your own perception of events, which is clouded by your valid hatred of universalism, which tells you that the Church is universalist, even though it isn't universalist in the sight of everyone who doesn't have a clouded perception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 (edited) Sorry this is universalism to me. A VIDEO THIS TIME... [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keiU9WiyPJE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keiU9WiyPJE[/url] and there are many others who agree with me including Trad catholics who SEE the unviersalism as well. Honestly what they have on the books doesnt matter if they are leading people right to the antichrist. THink Satan cares about what Rome official teaches when he has millions in his clutches? This RIGHT FROM THE VATICAN PROVED TO ME IT IS UNIVERSALIST. [url="http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/documents/ns_lit_doc_20020124_assisi-giornata_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturg...iornata_en.html[/url] As an EX-Univeralist I CANNOT accept this. [quote]Violence never again! War never again! Terrorism never again! [u]In God's name, may all religions bring upon earth[/u] justice and peace, forgiveness, life and love![/quote] Edited March 31, 2007 by Budge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Budge, do you believe that a person who does not fully live up to the ideal of his religion is proof that his religion is evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1224089' date='Mar 31 2007, 12:20 PM']In God's name, may all religions bring upon earth justice and peace, forgiveness, life and love! As an EX-Univeralist I CANNOT accept this.[/quote] Why so blind, again and again you fail to see that the Holy See's call is not a call for OWReligon but a prayer to God the Father for peace. Its evil to twist the words of The Holy Bride of Christ, Budge. Would you rather a pray to bring about injustice and war, unforgiveness, death and hate? What is wrong with praying to God that religions don't murder and hate each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 [quote]Why so blind, again and again you fail to see that the Holy See's call is not a call for OWReligon but a prayer to God the Father for peace.[/quote] Since when does God consider [u]false[/u] religions as vehicles for peace? You really expect false religions to bring peace and good things to the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 At every UU service, a chalice {lamp} is LIT. [img]http://www.thegreatstory.org/images/UU-chalice-silver.jpg[/img] This at the Assisi interfaith pow-wows did NOT escape my attention. Right from Vatican website... [img]http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/img/assisi-lamp-sized.gif[/img] Everyone lit their lamps... [img]http://www.cateforum.com/religion/images/AssisiMeeting-2002-1_jpg.jpg[/img] This poster sold by a Catholic organization..is quintessentially UU [img]http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Images/Interfaith_dialogue/large_golden_rule_poster.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Interfaith_dialogue/student_resources.php"]http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Interfaith_...t_resources.php[/url] Popular UU logo... [img]http://www.uu-edu.com/uu_programs/masters/images/world_religions.jpg[/img] The UU view of false religions is the same as Catholic. you folks see "god' as exsisting in all of them. I see them as Satan's lies led by his false spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 [quote]I see them as Satan's lies led by his false spirits.[/quote] Other people see pink elephants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 You believe God is the author of Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Voodun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 There are elements of truth in every religion. its stupidity and blindness to say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 [quote name='aalpha1989' post='1224742' date='Mar 31 2007, 09:04 PM']There are elements of truth in every religion. its stupidity and blindness to say otherwise.[/quote] Maybe it's just hubris. (Which God loathes, BTW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1224725' date='Mar 31 2007, 10:58 PM']At every UU service, a chalice {lamp} is LIT. [img]http://www.thegreatstory.org/images/UU-chalice-silver.jpg[/img] This at the Assisi interfaith pow-wows did NOT escape my attention. Right from Vatican website... [img]http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/img/assisi-lamp-sized.gif[/img] Everyone lit their lamps... [img]http://www.cateforum.com/religion/images/AssisiMeeting-2002-1_jpg.jpg[/img] This poster sold by a Catholic organization..is quintessentially UU [img]http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Images/Interfaith_dialogue/large_golden_rule_poster.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Interfaith_dialogue/student_resources.php"]http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Interfaith_...t_resources.php[/url] Popular UU logo... [img]http://www.uu-edu.com/uu_programs/masters/images/world_religions.jpg[/img] The UU view of false religions is the same as Catholic. you folks see "god' as exsisting in all of them. I see them as Satan's lies led by his false spirits.[/quote] I can name lots of places where people light lamps. What's your point? As for the poster, it's meant to show the different, yet similar, understandings of the "golden rule" in various religious traditions so that there can be a starting point for dialog. It's not meant to convey unity at all. The similarity in arrangement is pure coincidence, not something of significance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1224746' date='Mar 31 2007, 11:06 PM']Maybe it's just hubris. (Which God loathes, BTW)[/quote] true dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1224733' date='Mar 31 2007, 10:00 PM']You believe God is the author of Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Voodun?[/quote] Nope. People in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Voodun see something of God, which is why they believe in a god... and they have elements of truth... but no the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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