Catholic Church, Nwo, And Uu?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

So much for that:

Benedict XVI Warns of Syncretism

Dialogue Doesn't Imply All Religions Are Same, He Says

VATICAN CITY, MARCH 30, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI says that dialogue between cultures and religions is fundamental, but it must not fall into syncretism, which puts every sort of belief on the same level.

Lasting peace and development depend on this, he said today in an audience with the new Ukrainian ambassador to the Holy See, Tetiana Izhevska.

The Holy Father stated: "In our world, evermore conditioned by the urgencies of globalization, a deep and demanding dialogue is necessary between cultures and religions. But this is not to diminish them with an impoverishing syncretism; rather, it is to enable them to develop in a climate of reciprocal respect so that each one works, according to its own charism, for the common good.

"This perspective surely will permit the lessening of ever possible causes of tension and disagreements between groups or nations, and guarantee for all the conditions of lasting peace and development."

Benedict XVI recognized that Ukraine is a "door between the East and the West because of its geographical location." He encouraged "productive exchange … between the two cultural lungs that have forged European history and in particular characterized its Christian history."

The Pope added: "I am certain that Ukraine, deeply imbued with the Gospel in its life, culture and institutions, ever since its baptism more than 1,000 years ago in Kiev, will concern itself with bringing the dynamism of its identity to other nations, maintaining its original characteristics."

Taken from zenit.org

[Budge]

sorry they can warn about it all they want but THEIR ACTIONS say otherwise.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1224021' date='Mar 31 2007, 11:51 AM']sorry they can warn about it all they want but THEIR ACTIONS say otherwise.[/quote]
So, you basically don't care what the Church teaches, but instead rely on your own perception of events, which is clouded by your valid hatred of universalism, which tells you that the Church is universalist, even though it isn't universalist in the sight of everyone who doesn't have a clouded perception?

[Budge]

Sorry this is universalism to me.

A VIDEO THIS TIME...

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keiU9WiyPJE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keiU9WiyPJE[/url]

and there are many others who agree with me including Trad catholics who SEE the unviersalism as well.

Honestly what they have on the books doesnt matter if they are leading people right to the antichrist. THink Satan cares about what Rome official teaches when he has millions in his clutches?

This RIGHT FROM THE VATICAN PROVED TO ME IT IS UNIVERSALIST.

[url="http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/documents/ns_lit_doc_20020124_assisi-giornata_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturg...iornata_en.html[/url]

As an EX-Univeralist I CANNOT accept this.

[quote]Violence never again!
War never again!
Terrorism never again!
[u]In God's name,
may all religions bring upon earth[/u]
justice and peace,
forgiveness, life and love![/quote]

Edited March 31, 2007 by Budge

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Budge, do you believe that a person who does not fully live up to the ideal of his religion is proof that his religion is evil?

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Budge' post='1224089' date='Mar 31 2007, 12:20 PM']In God's name,
may all religions bring upon earth
justice and peace,
forgiveness, life and love!

As an EX-Univeralist I CANNOT accept this.[/quote]


Why so blind, again and again you fail to see that the Holy See's call is not a call for OWReligon but a prayer to God the Father for peace.

Its evil to twist the words of The Holy Bride of Christ, Budge.


Would you rather a pray to bring about injustice and war, unforgiveness, death and hate? What is wrong with praying to God that religions don't murder and hate each other?

[Budge]

[quote]Why so blind, again and again you fail to see that the Holy See's call is not a call for OWReligon but a prayer to God the Father for peace.[/quote]

Since when does God consider [u]false[/u] religions as vehicles for peace?

You really expect false religions to bring peace and good things to the world?

[Budge]

At every UU service, a chalice {lamp} is LIT.

[img]http://www.thegreatstory.org/images/UU-chalice-silver.jpg[/img]

This at the Assisi interfaith pow-wows did NOT escape my attention.

Right from Vatican website...

[img]http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/img/assisi-lamp-sized.gif[/img]

Everyone lit their lamps...

[img]http://www.cateforum.com/religion/images/AssisiMeeting-2002-1_jpg.jpg[/img]


This poster sold by a Catholic organization..is quintessentially UU

[img]http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Images/Interfaith_dialogue/large_golden_rule_poster.jpg[/img]

[url="http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Interfaith_dialogue/student_resources.php"]http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Interfaith_...t_resources.php[/url]

Popular UU logo...

[img]http://www.uu-edu.com/uu_programs/masters/images/world_religions.jpg[/img]

The UU view of false religions is the same as Catholic.

you folks see "god' as exsisting in all of them.

I see them as Satan's lies led by his false spirits.

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote]I see them as Satan's lies led by his false spirits.[/quote]

Other people see pink elephants.

[Budge]

You believe God is the author of Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Voodun?

[aalpha1989]

There are elements of truth in every religion. its stupidity and blindness to say otherwise.

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1224742' date='Mar 31 2007, 09:04 PM']There are elements of truth in every religion. its stupidity and blindness to say otherwise.[/quote]

Maybe it's just hubris. (Which God loathes, BTW)

[Birgitta Noel]

[quote name='Budge' post='1224725' date='Mar 31 2007, 10:58 PM']At every UU service, a chalice {lamp} is LIT.

[img]http://www.thegreatstory.org/images/UU-chalice-silver.jpg[/img]

This at the Assisi interfaith pow-wows did NOT escape my attention.

Right from Vatican website...

[img]http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/img/assisi-lamp-sized.gif[/img]

Everyone lit their lamps...

[img]http://www.cateforum.com/religion/images/AssisiMeeting-2002-1_jpg.jpg[/img]
This poster sold by a Catholic organization..is quintessentially UU

[img]http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Images/Interfaith_dialogue/large_golden_rule_poster.jpg[/img]

[url="http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Interfaith_dialogue/student_resources.php"]http://www.scarboromissions.ca/Interfaith_...t_resources.php[/url]

Popular UU logo...

[img]http://www.uu-edu.com/uu_programs/masters/images/world_religions.jpg[/img]

The UU view of false religions is the same as Catholic.

you folks see "god' as exsisting in all of them.

I see them as Satan's lies led by his false spirits.[/quote]

I can name lots of places where people light lamps. What's your point?

As for the poster, it's meant to show the different, yet similar, understandings of the "golden rule" in various religious traditions so that there can be a starting point for dialog. It's not meant to convey unity at all. The similarity in arrangement is pure coincidence, not something of significance.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1224746' date='Mar 31 2007, 11:06 PM']Maybe it's just hubris. (Which God loathes, BTW)[/quote]

true dat

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Budge' post='1224733' date='Mar 31 2007, 10:00 PM']You believe God is the author of Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Voodun?[/quote]

Nope. People in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Voodun see something of God, which is why they believe in a god... and they have elements of truth... but no the truth.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1225007' date='Apr 1 2007, 12:42 AM']Nope. People in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Voodun see something of God, which is why they believe in a god... and they have elements of truth... but no the truth.[/quote]

[Reality Mugged Me]

Budge, I haven't been here in at least a year and you're still making the same arguments you were making when I left. Haven't you tired of it yet, or haven't you at least said everything on the topic that there is to say? I know I certainly have, but I guess I'll repeat it.

[quote]Everyone lit their lamps...[/quote]Ooh, sinister. Tell me, Budge, how long has a lit lamp or a candle been a symbol for Christ? If you answered since long before Unitarian Universalism, or even Unitarianism and Universalism separately, even existed, then you're correct. Christ himself said that he is the light of the world. What other symbol besides a lit lamp would you expect?

I would also add that light has long been a symbol for God. This was true in Judaism and it was true before Judaism. The fact that other religions can connect to that symbol is a good thing, not a bad thing. Just because religions are false doesn't mean that everything in them is false. God is calling even to those who believe in religions that aren't true and he has been doing it since the Fall. Are you really going to argue that there's something sinister about other religions recognizing the connection between God and light? This could be a point of evangelization for us. It could be a teaching moment about God and the light of truth that can be found in Christianity. Instead, you've turned it into a tactic to use against the Catholic Church. How sad. Do you really think that's what Christ would want? Do you really think this is what he meant when he commanded his followers to go out and spread the Gospel to all nations?

If we're being honest, I doubt that the Vatican even knows that the flame and chalice is a Unitarian Universalist symbol. Unitarian Universalism is an extremely small, mostly American denomination of secular humanism and pantheistic paganism. It has virtually nothing in common with the Catholic Church. I doubt that most Vatican officials have more than a cursory familiarity with Unitarian Universalism. Get a grip.

[quote]This poster sold by a Catholic organization..is quintessentially UU[/quote]
[b]Which[/b] Catholic organization?

I don't like the poster. I think it smacks of universalism, and it wouldn't surprise me if the so-called "Catholic" organization isn't all that Catholic after all. With that said, there is nothing wrong in principle with pointing out the similarities between the teachings of other religions and the Golden Rule as taught by Christ himself. Isn't it a [b]good thing[/b] when there is common ground between Christianity and other religions? Isn't such common ground an opportunity to evangelize? Isn't it good to be able to say, "Our God taught that. Let me tell you what else he taught..."? The fact is that Christ did teach the Golden Rule, and the fact is that other religions - some of which precede Christianity and some of which don't - have similar language in their teachings. So what? That's not evidence of some nefarious plot to meld all religions into one religion. That's evidence of a Holy Spirit who reaches out and touches every man, woman, and child on earth and instills in each person a basic sense of what it means to be a child of God. You're all but accusing God of being the anti-Christ.

[quote]The UU view of false religions is the same as Catholic.

you folks see "god' as exsisting in all of them.

I see them as Satan's lies led by his false spirits.[/quote]
This simply isn't true, and I think you know it. I could cite you document after document from recent Church teaching that totally repudiates the kind of syncretism and relativism that the Unitarian Universalist Association promotes. While you're accusing the Catholic Church of syncretism and relativism, other enemies are accusing us of not being syncretic enough, not being relativistic enough. Which is it? Are we horribly intolerant and exclusionary, or are we the relativist agents of the anti-Christ? We can't be both.

The teaching of the Church on other religions is that they can and often do contain elements of the truth, but none of them - not even Judaism - are fully true. The teaching of the Church is that only Christianity, and only Catholic Christianity at that, is fully true. The teaching of the Church is still that Christ is the only Savior, and that there is still only one name under heaven by which man can hope to be saved: the name of Jesus Christ. I know that you have been shown and shown again that this is true. I don't know why you won't believe it. Nobody's expecting you to suddenly convert to Catholicism, but one would think by now that you could at least admit that we're not agents of the anti-Christ working toward a one world religion. The only one world religion we're working toward is orthodox, biblical, traditional, Catholic Christianity.

[KnightofChrist]

Why does budge's post remind me of the question asked to Christ?

"Why doth your master eat and drink with publicans and sinners?!?"

Edited April 1, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[Anomaly]

I'd like to point out that maybe UU is copying the Roman Catholics. Didn't the RC's have the whole chalice thing before the UU was around? Makes sense to me that something called the Universal Unitariansism would copy things from as many religions as possible because it wants to be Universal. How incredibly stupid to think that if somebody evil is copying you, that you should stap that behavior.

If I heard that the UU collects money to feed the homeless by supporting a soup kitchen. I'll never give money to that soup kitchen again. Is that what I should do Budge?

[Budge]

[quote]

Nope. People in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Voodun see something of God, which is why they believe in a god... and they have elements of truth... but no the truth.[/quote]You are wrong that they see "something of God". They are in false religions founded by Satan himself.

The idea that false religions have elements of truth is wrong too. Love in Buddhism is a totally different type of "love" then Christian love.
I will never agree with the Catholic view of other religions.

So wonder Catholic young people are leaving your church or simply not going, your watered down view of what you believe is "Christianity" doesnt really convict anyone. Why be Catholic if the elements of truth in other religions will save you?

[quote]
Are you really going to argue that there's something sinister about other religions recognizing the connection between God and light? This could be a point of evangelization for us. It could be a teaching moment about God and the light of truth that can be found in Christianity. Instead, you've turned it into a tactic to use against the Catholic Church. How sad. Do you really think that's what Christ would want? Do you really think this is what he meant when he commanded his followers to go out and spread the Gospel to all nations?[/quote]

All "light" is not what it seems. According to the above you could go celebrate the Hindu Festival of Lights and still be worshipping "God", this is how your church has lied to you and confused you.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.


[quote]
If we're being honest, I doubt that the Vatican even knows that the flame and chalice is a Unitarian Universalist symbol. Unitarian Universalism is an extremely small, mostly American denomination of secular humanism and pantheistic paganism. It has virtually nothing in common with the Catholic Church. I doubt that most Vatican officials have more than a cursory familiarity with Unitarian Universalism. Get a grip.[/quote]Actually there is UUism that is predominant in Europe. It is not just limited to America.

You trying to tell me your erudite Vaticanists know nothing of Unitarianism, and Theosophy?

[quote]

Why does budge's post remind me of the question asked to Christ?

"Why doth your master eat and drink with publicans and sinners?!?"[/quote]

Christ taught them the gospel, not that they already held "truth"
[quote]I'd like to point out that maybe UU is copying the Roman Catholics. Didn't the RC's have the whole chalice thing before the UU was around? Makes sense to me that something called the Universal Unitariansism would copy things from as many religions as possible because it wants to be Universal. How incredibly stupid to think that if somebody evil is copying you, that you should stap that behavior.[/quote]

Mystery Babylon overlaps