By Their Fruits You Shall Recognize Them

[Budge]

Considering youve left Rome...Right?

How are you any better then me.

Also calling someone a liar because you dont like what they have to say is weak.

[quote]You have no consistent theological understanding, nor do you even attempt reasonable thought processes. Anything can be misconstrued to fit a pre-conceived notion.[/quote]
TRANSLATION>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Because you dont agree with me, I will tell you that you are inconsistent and have no reasonable thought processes rather then dealing with the issues or subject at hand.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Budge' post='1228387' date='Apr 3 2007, 01:40 PM']Because you dont agree with me, I will tell you that you are inconsistent and have no reasonable thought processes rather then dealing with the issues or subject at hand.[/quote]
BINGO!
You've been proven wrong, illogical, misleading, and unreasonable time and time again. Yet you keep posting.
Strength of commitment does not equal strength of validity.

[Budge]

Heres a quote from my board.

Anamoly, the person that disagrees with Catholicism with things she FEELS like disagreeing on, but anyone else who dares to disagree too is to be put down.

Gee that makes a lot of sense, I guess it it shows the confusion of Cafeteria Catholicism.


[quote]So typical of Roman apologists:

We do not have to prove any of our assertions, ignore all our contradictions, and by the way you are anti-catholic and antagonistic. Just for good measure here are some personal attacks and condescending language to prove my point.[/quote]

[Budge]

Heres a quote from my board.

Anamoly, the person that disagrees with Catholicism with things she FEELS like disagreeing on, but anyone else who dares to disagree too is to be put down.

Gee that makes a lot of sense, I guess it it shows the confusion of Cafeteria Catholicism.


[quote]So typical of Roman apologists:

We do not have to prove any of our assertions, ignore all our contradictions, and by the way you are anti-catholic and antagonistic. Just for good measure here are some personal attacks and condescending language to prove my point.[/quote][quote]emember that Roman Catholics Apologists are conditioned to use the labelling technique instead of responding with an argument.
They get the TriFecta:
. . . claiming victim status
. . . demonizing their opponent
. . . and fogging the dialogue.[/quote]

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1228325' date='Apr 3 2007, 10:15 AM']Actually youre in the place of simply wanting to close your ears and eyes. This is noting new to me. You approach these discussions with your mind made up ahead of time, that you will not examine any of your churches own teachings, and will "Fight" the bad fundie who is here to try and "take your faith" away.[/quote]

Budge, it is inconsistent with wanting to close my eyes and ears for me to answer each of your posts in minute detail, citing Scripture, citing Catechism, citing logical reasoning, and citing faith. You, on the other hand, do not respond to the majority of my posts. Why? Is it because you wish to close your ears and eyes? I defend my faith because I used to ridicule it. I chose my faith knowing the objections to it. You seem to indicate that I was brainwashed. You say that I will not examine my Church's teachings. I spent years examining them, Budge. I concluded that they were correct. You, however, have completely failed to examine my Church's teachings. You come here with your mind already made up because you hate what you do not know.

[quote]Ive been posting on the universalism in the Catholic Church for years, and I have found the answers and exucses for it to be nothing but LACKING. The fact of the matter is 13 years of an "education" in unitarian universalism is like no other, especially when that person moves on to be a Christian. I cant be fooled by covert New Ageism that is happening in other churches either.[/quote]Budge, there are no excuses for universalism in the Catholic Church. There are no answers for it. This is because there is no universalism in the Church. Our teaching is clear: there is no other way to be saved than through Jesus Christ. That is not universalism.

[quote]You definitely are, telling me over and over like others to IGNORE whats right in front of my face.
??? What is that mess. If youre trying to confuse people on purpose the above could do no better. To even fulfill what you want as I said elsewhere someone would have TO AGREE with you.[/quote]

I was saying that you don't even trust the Magisterium to know its own faith. If you don't think that even the Catholics know the faith, how can you think that you do? You tell us that we don't know the faith. We cite the Catechism. You tell us that the Catechism doesn't really represent true Catholic teaching. We say that the pope said it did. You say that the pope doesn't really mean it because he's just trying to deceive. Ultimately, Budge, it comes down to this: you are judging the pope and the bishops. You are judging them as guilty of some vast conspiracy, despite all the evidence in the other direction. You are doing this because you have the preconceived notion that they don't deserve any trust. You come to that conclusion from where? You come to that conclusion because you find their teachings to be untrustworthy. Where do you get that? You say that's because they can't be trusted. It's circular reasoning, Budge, and it's all because you are judging the hearts of men as evil, even when what they teach is good. Your complete distrust has blinded you to the fact that you have no reason to distrust the Catholic Church, except from the prior notion that you just don't like the Church. You have yet to show us any proof for your teachings or to back up what you say. If you truly believe in what you are saying, you should be able to back it up. Don't you blame it on me, Budge. You don't even respond to my objections, you just say, "well, you should accept it because of what I wrote," and I say, "what you wrote is false, why should I believe it?" You reply, "because it's true." Well, Budge, the whole point of evidence is to prove that something is true, not just to support a theory.

[quote]Your church and its leadership are NOT trustworthy. I do not put total trust in men even in the men of my own churches but in God and His Word.[/quote]Budge, you have to cite evidence that my Church is not trustworthy. You've never done that. Do you see the problem, Budge? You blame us for not seeing what you see, because you do not see clearly (and that much is evident from the difference between your account of Catholicism and the Church's account of Catechism).

[quote]Jesus said it NOT me.
So WHY IS THAT WARNING IN THE BIBLE, and WHY DO YOU REJECT IT?[/quote]

That warning is in the Bible to protect us from people bearing false teaching...but that doesn't mean you can just call anyone wolves. What if I said it was referring to you? You would say, "but it's not referring to me, I bring the truth!" and I would say, "prove it." The Catholic Church has proven it for 2000 years. I've proven it since you got here. You have ignored my proof and for your part have proven nothing.

[quote]A lie on your part, I have stated time and timea gain Catholics are victims of a false religious system not evil themelves.[/quote]I didn't say anything about Catholics, I was talking about Catholic theology, tradition, etc. You say that's evil.

[quote]Strawman, unless I agreed with Catholic theology or changed into an ecumenical protestant, you will keep repeating the above.[/quote]

Do you know what a strawman fallacy is? The above was not a fallacy, but if it were, it most certainly wasn't a strawman fallacy. A strawman fallacy would be to say you believe something you don't believe and then to argue against it. I didn't do that. I only said that you don't know Catholic teaching and you need to learn it if you want to actually debate with us.

[quote]You do know what the word CATECHISM means dont you?[/quote]Nice job using the secular dictionary to define a religious word. How about actually looking at how the Church defines it, Budge. The Catechism is a book of teachings of the Catholic Church handed down from the apostles. The word "katachein," used by St. Paul, means "re-echo." A Catechism is an echoing of the faith. Nothing about mere rote memorization or uncriticized teaching, Budge. That's a secular interpretation...and a false one.

[quote]The sad thing you think I am your enemy, I am not.[/quote]

I don't think you're my enemy. I think you're a very misled person who hates what she thinks the Catholic Church is...and I wish there was something I could do to help. You just won't let me because you refuse to learn what the Catholic Church actually believes.

[quote][b]Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?[/b][/quote]

St. Paul was a Catholic. When he said "truth," he was referring to Catholic truth.

God bless,

Micah