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[HeavenlyCalling]

Triple post.

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[HeavenlyCalling]

Double post, sorry

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[HeavenlyCalling]

this is silly, how many times can the phorum repost this?

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[jkaands]

Well, I, for one, am glad that we have one honest-to-God NUN on this forum instead of a host of *others* who are very free with their aspersions about any order not the DMMO's or Nashvillians or OCDs.

Sr. Mary Catherine was carrying all the load for a while...

And I too am interested in the relationship between the LCWR and the CW's.

--any ideas, Sr. Betsy?

[jkaands]

[quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1238878' date='Apr 11 2007, 02:07 PM']Not all f the groups in the LCWR are like this, but I have seen several tha seem more like political groups then orders of religous woman. Not that the causes the support aren't good ones, but some seemed to have moved things like Earth Charters into the places that used to be occupied by Gods word. Not all, and maybe not even most, but there are some. And some ( coughjoanchrisitercough) live in open defience of the Church and the Holy Father.[/quote]

I would like some more info on your allegation that Joan CHICHESTER, OSB, is "living in 'open defience (sic) of the Church and the Holy Father"

references and sources, please.

[HeavenlyCalling]

Sr. Joan Chittister attended several womans ordination conferences, despite the fact that the WO movement goes against the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church and speaks at such events on occation ( [url="http://catholicinsight.com/online/feminism/article_246.shtml"]http://catholicinsight.com/online/feminism/article_246.shtml[/url] ) from an article from a Catholic magazine
[quote]In April 2000, Sister Joan Chittister was the keynote speaker at the National Catholic Education Conference in Milwaukee. At least three bishops discouraged their teachers from going there. She told an applauding audience that educational leadership means posing questions that Church authorities do not want asked. Question, question, question, she insisted. All her own questions concern the feminist agenda of "spiritual responsibility" for women, meaning of course their ordination. We are being denied "the fullness of the spiritual life," asserted Chittister, to more applause. [/quote]and

[quote]Then came the question of whether Sister Joan was going to attend a Women's Ordination Conference in Dublin, Ireland, at the end of June. The Vatican's Congregation for the Consecrated Life wrote her superior, Sister Christine Vladimiroff, the current prioress of the Benedictine Sisters of Erie, asking her to keep Sister Joan at home. Sister Christine declined to do so. She read her answer explaining to her community why she was unable to comply to her community, and invited all 128 nuns to add their signatures to hers. All did, except one. Indeed, 35 of the younger nuns signed a request that any punishment given to Sister Joan be given to them as well. Then she travelled to Rome while Sister Joan was already on her way to Dublin.[/quote]

From her speech "the God they never told me about" ( which can be purchased online, if you want it):

[quote] her view of God evolved from "a God of rules and laws" to an impersonal vision of "cosmic unity greater than doctrines or denominations".1 [/quote]In responce to a letter written from the Holy See's Congregation for the Institutes of Consecrated Life to Sister Joan's superior, Erie prioress Sister Christine Vladimiroff

[quote]The Vatican believed her participation to be in opposition to its decree (Ordinatio Sacerdotalis) that priestly ordination will never be conferred on women in the Roman Catholic Church and must, therefore, never be discussed . . . I spent many hours discussing the issue with Sister Joan and traveled to Rome to dialogue about it with Vatican officials. I sought the advice of bishops, religious leaders, canonists, other prioresses, and most importantly, my religious community, the Benedictine Sisters of Erie . . . I concluded that I would decline the request of the Vatican. There is a fundamental difference in the understanding of obedience in the monastic tradition and that which is being used by the Vatican . . . Benedictine authority and obedience are achieved through dialogue between a member and her prioress in a spirit of co-responsibility . . . The role of the prioress in a Benedictine community is to be a center of unity and a guide in the seeking of God ... [but] it is the individual member who does the seeking. Sister Joan Chittister, who has lived the monastic life with faith and fidelity for 50 years, must make her own decision[/quote]
[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=4090"]Here[/url] is an article from an other Catholic magazine, which cites sources at the bottom.

Here is a quote from a [url="http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/documents/addressbySJC.htm"]speech[/url] Sr. gave to the NCEA
[quote]TEACH THEM TO ASK HOW IT IS THAT ONE SEX CAN TAKE UPON ITSELF THE RIGHT TO DEFINE WHAT GOD WANTS OF THE OTHER ONE. TEACH THEM TO ASK WHAT KIND OF GOD IT IS THAT WOULD GIVE WOMEN A MIND, A SOUL, A BAPTISM AND A CALL AND THEN FORBID THEM TO ANSWER IT WHEN A SACRAMENTAL CHURCH IS IN DANGER OF LOSING THE SACRAMENTS.[/quote] (sorry about the all-caps, it came like that.)
I hope this is helpful

God Bless.

Edited April 12, 2007 by HeavenlyCalling

[onlygrace08]

[quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1239264' date='Apr 11 2007, 09:44 PM']Sr. Joan Chittister attended several womans ordination conferences, despite the fact that the WO movement goes against the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church and speaks at such events on occation ( [url="http://catholicinsight.com/online/feminism/article_246.shtml"]http://catholicinsight.com/online/feminism/article_246.shtml[/url] ) from an article from a Catholic magazine
and
From her speech "the God they never told me about" ( which can be purchased online, if you want it):

In responce to a letter written from the Holy See's Congregation for the Institutes of Consecrated Life to Sister Joan's superior, Erie prioress Sister Christine Vladimiroff
[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=4090"]Here[/url] is an article from an other Catholic magazine, which cites sources at the bottom.

Here is a quote from a [url="http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/documents/addressbySJC.htm"]speech[/url] Sr. gave to the NCEA
(sorry about the all-caps, it came like that.)
I hope this is helpful

God Bless.[/quote]

This all makes me so sad.... why can't we understand the beauty of being women and that vocation? I'm thinking that the topic of ordination of women is going to be the topic for my big research paper I am starting soon.

[HeavenlyCalling]

[quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1239160' date='Apr 11 2007, 08:53 PM']nm[/quote]


[quote name='onlygrace08' post='1239299' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:06 PM']This all makes me so sad.... why can't we understand the beauty of being women and that vocation? I'm thinking that the topic of ordination of women is going to be the topic for my big research paper I am starting soon.[/quote]
That would be a wonderful paper, esp. if you could really capture the true vocation of woman. If you haven't already read it, I suggest JP2s letter to woman, which I'll look around on line for...

[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_15081988_mulieris-dignitatem_en.html"]aha! Here it is![/url]

And [url="http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/documents/Discipleship.htm"]HERE[/url] is a speech Sr. Joan gave to the Womans Ordination Worldwide ( wow) conference. jaands, I dont think you can deny thaat this is directly opposed to the Churchs teachings, and given that she has already been told once ( at least) not to attend such conferences she is [quote]"living in 'open defience (sic) of the Church and the Holy Father"[/quote]

I rest my case.

God Bless and Mary Keep you all!!

Edited April 12, 2007 by HeavenlyCalling

[sr_betsy]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1239173' date='Apr 11 2007, 08:02 PM']Well, I, for one, am glad that we have one honest-to-God NUN on this forum instead of a host of *others* who are very free with their aspersions about any order not the DMMO's or Nashvillians or OCDs.

Sr. Mary Catherine was carrying all the load for a while...

And I too am interested in the relationship between the LCWR and the CW's.

--any ideas, Sr. Betsy?[/quote]

I am not familiar with the relationship. What I do know is this: most sisters (habited and non-habited) have tremendous respect for one another. I'll look into.

Edited April 12, 2007 by sr_betsy

[HeavenlyCalling]

[quote name='sr_betsy' post='1239338' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:40 PM']I am not familiar with the relationship. What I do know is this: most sisters (habited and non-habited) have tremendous respect for one another. I'll look into.[/quote]
I remember reading in a book somewhere ( I'll try to find it) that when the CMSWR was first formed, the relationship with the LCWR was NOT very smooth at all, and I was just wondering how that has changed and how they interact. Thank ou for your time ,Sr.

[shortnun]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1239223' date='Apr 11 2007, 09:24 PM']I would like some more info on your allegation that Joan CHICHESTER, OSB, is "living in 'open defience (sic) of the Church and the Holy Father"

references and sources, please.[/quote]
Perhaps this would be better done in a PM or in another phorum.

[HeavenlyCalling]

[quote name='shortnun' post='1239354' date='Apr 11 2007, 11:07 PM']Perhaps this would be better done in a PM or in another phorum.[/quote]
I've kinda already awnsered. Where else would we put it?

[shortnun]

[quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1239343' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:47 PM']I remember reading in a book somewhere ( I'll try to find it) that when the CMSWR was first formed, the relationship with the LCWR was NOT very smooth at all, and I was just wondering how that has changed and how they interact. Thank ou for your time ,Sr.[/quote]
[b][url="http://www.lcwr.org/lcwraboutus/history.htm"]Here's a link[/url][/b] with information directly from the LCWR website.

[onlygrace08]

[quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1239304' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:11 PM']That would be a wonderful paper, esp. if you could really capture the true vocation of woman. If you haven't already read it, I suggest JP2s letter to woman, which I'll look around on line for...

[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_15081988_mulieris-dignitatem_en.html"]aha! Here it is![/url]

And [url="http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/documents/Discipleship.htm"]HERE[/url] is a speech Sr. Joan gave to the Womans Ordination Worldwide ( wow) conference. jaands, I dont think you can deny thaat this is directly opposed to the Churchs teachings, and given that she has already been told once ( at least) not to attend such conferences she is

I rest my case.

God Bless and Mary Keep you all!![/quote]

Thanks! I think this would be a good thing to look into, especially after discussing it with a couple of friends today who hold views against those of the church. I had no clue what to say!

[Incarnate Word Postulant]

It makes me sad to hear the negative comments about Sisters in the LCWR...thre are many communities who are faithful to the Church, habit or no habit. I try to understand but I just don't get why we have to use this phorum to put down every LCWR Sister. We can not see into the hearts of others. Let's leave that to God, instead let's strive for holiness, compassion and a radical living of the Gospel.

May God bless each and everyone of you. Happy Easter. May the joy of the Resurrected Lord inundate your hearts.

sr. mary helga, iwbs

[be_thou_my_vision]

[quote name='Incarnate Word Postulant' post='1239760' date='Apr 12 2007, 07:50 AM']It makes me sad to hear the negative comments about Sisters in the LCWR...thre are many communities who are faithful to the Church, habit or no habit. I try to understand but I just don't get why we have to use this phorum to put down every LCWR Sister. We can not see into the hearts of others. Let's leave that to God, instead let's strive for holiness, compassion and a radical living of the Gospel.

May God bless each and everyone of you. Happy Easter. May the joy of the Resurrected Lord inundate your hearts.

sr. mary helga, iwbs[/quote]
Amen Sister

[HeavenlyCalling]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1239173' date='Apr 11 2007, 09:02 PM']Well, I, for one, am glad that we have one honest-to-God NUN on this forum instead of a host of *others* who are very free with their aspersions about any order not the DMMO's or Nashvillians or OCDs.[/quote]
Is there something wrong with the SMME, Nashville Dominicans or Discaled Carmleites?


[quote name='Incarnate Word Postulant' post='1239760' date='Apr 12 2007, 08:50 AM']It makes me sad to hear the negative comments about Sisters in the LCWR...thre are many communities who are faithful to the Church, habit or no habit. I try to understand but I just don't get why we have to use this phorum to put down every LCWR Sister. We can not see into the hearts of others. Let's leave that to God, instead let's strive for holiness, compassion and a radical living of the Gospel.[/quote]
You are very right, sister. I think we may focus too much on the very few that are disloyal, and not focus on the loyal majority. I do not think that anyone means to put down EVERY LCWR sister. I am very sorry if I have done anything to encourage this image.

[Piamaria]

Ubi caritas et amor, ubi caritas Deus ibi est.

Many LCWR communities host the Sisters I'm entering when we do missions. Without their sisterly hospitality, we would not be able to do as much.

[jkaands]

[quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1240011' date='Apr 12 2007, 12:15 PM']Is there something wrong with the SMME, Nashville Dominicans or Discaled Carmleites?
You are very right, sister. I think we may focus too much on the very few that are disloyal, and not focus on the loyal majority. I do not think that anyone means to put down EVERY LCWR sister. I am very sorry if I have done anything to encourage this image.[/quote]

There is nothing wrong whatsoever with the SMME, nashville Dominicans or DC's. But there are a lot of other good orders out there as well, many without either habits or a feminist agenda.

[JuCa]

I guess that was a bit much. I just know a couple particular religious groups on there that pull down the attraction to religious life. Ones that used to be sooooooo beautiful, but have had liberal sisters run them down. They turn them into places that are not hardly an image of how they were created to be. Ones that turn to a bunch of raiki, tai chi, ect...crazy stuff.
To each his own- and I'm sure not all the orders are "Bad" (my words).. but if you are a wonderful order I wouldn't want to be affiliated with something that attracts the orders that I talked about above.

And I know sisters within these orders that are wonderful and who do wonderful work..
It's just unfortunate that a lot of the true charism is lost over time.

I'm sorry I jumped to the gun and made a comment about the whole website- my fault, my fault, my fault.
I'll hit the confessional, I'm truly sorry.
The site is still not my cup of tea- gotta be honest- I'll just keep my mouth shut next time.

Edited April 13, 2007 by JuCa