Didymus Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 This story has enraged me [url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=iH6zN4pMrhw"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=iH6zN4pMrhw[/url] warning: some of the comments to the vid have some foul language (the video is fine; it's taken from c-span book tv) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2xbob Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 All of heaven must weep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semalsia Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 The girl wanted to get the abortion. So she's hardly the victim the guy tries to make her. And the mother's rights weren't violated, since I don't think parents have any legal rights to force their child to NOT have an abortion. Just like they can't force their children to have abortions. Looks like any other abortion story to me. Of course, it's a tragedy that a 14-year-old got pregnant in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 you cant just say she 'wanted' it. It was clear as day she was coerced into it. The worst part is that the mother couldnt even contact her and was taken by the police. At that point, if I were there, and the cops told me to 'take it up with my senator' I would have probably gone hostile. but that's definitely the biggest word here: COERCION it's how Planned Parenthood maintains their death toll; it's how the guy and his parents got their way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Can someone fill me in? My connection isn't fast enough for me to watch Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semalsia Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 [quote name='Didymus']you cant just say she 'wanted' it. It was clear as day she was coerced into it. The worst part is that the mother couldnt even contact her and was taken by the police. At that point, if I were there, and the cops told me to 'take it up with my senator' I would have probably gone hostile. but that's definitely the biggest word here: COERCION it's how Planned Parenthood maintains their death toll; it's how the guy and his parents got their way...[/quote] She agreed to it. I guess it's hard to say more without knowing her side of the story. The PP people probably knew only that the girl came there saying she wanted abortion. So obviously the mother seemed like she was trying kidnap her or something. I don't think the PP are evil, they just wanted to help the girl get an abortion because they thought that's what she really wanted. I'm not sure it's fair to speak of coercion if the people at PP were doing everything with good intentions. But your right about the guy and his parents. The guy was clearly abusing his influence over her. They had no right to insist on abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted April 13, 2007 Author Share Posted April 13, 2007 [quote name='Semalsia' post='1241405' date='Apr 13 2007, 11:23 AM']The PP people probably knew only that the girl came there saying she wanted abortion. So obviously the mother seemed like she was trying kidnap her or something. I don't think the PP are evil, they just wanted to help the girl get an abortion because they thought that's what she really wanted. I'm not sure it's fair to speak of coercion if the people at PP were doing everything with good intentions.[/quote] see, I try to see the supporter's of the pro-choice movement in this way, the ones who seem to think it is compassion on the women to allow abortion to be legal (it helps with dialogue) but I dont think I can look at Planned Parenthood that way. They have had undignified intentions from their beginning with Margaret Sanger being so into eugenics and all. Because of that I dont think I'll ever see Planned Parenthood as having 'good intentions.' (I guess planned parenthood wasnt involved with this case; I just brought them up.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 That is so sick. I can't even believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted April 13, 2007 Author Share Posted April 13, 2007 [quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1240061' date='Apr 12 2007, 01:42 PM']Can someone fill me in? My connection isn't fast enough for me to watch Youtube.[/quote] Around the same time the news was focusing on Terri Schiavo, this girl got pregnant with her boyfriend, and her parents were baptist and did not want an abortion. Her mom even took her to the doctor and they got an ultrasound and found out it was a boy. Eventually, she decided she wanted to name him Bradley. Her boyfriend (and his parents especially) did not want to have the child. Apparently his mother had had several abortions, "and wouldnt think twice about having it done again." The girl still had somewhat of an attachment to him and did not want to displease him. Eventually, the guy's mother called the girl's school and posed as her grandmother, calling her on sick for the day. They drove to her house that morning (her parents weren't home at that time) and she did not expect them (she knew they didnt want the child, but they did not tell her they were coming to drive her to the abortion mill) They drove her to 'hope' abortion mill. By the time the mother realized what was happening and arrived at the mill, she had already gone through the operation and the mother wasnt allowed to see her daughter. She was escorted away by police after shouting her daughter's name, looking for her. The guy and his mother left afterwards for a vacation in florida, and the girl was left to the discharge staff. that's the gist of it. I guess I might have lost some facts, so anyone can fill in if they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReinnieR Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 [img]http://www.reinnier.com/images/povertyB250.gif[/img] "Mark" had plans. The child is going to ruin his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 They illegally removed the child from School. The boy's mother should at least be charged with kidnapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted April 13, 2007 Author Share Posted April 13, 2007 it was from the home (if that even makes a difference) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 No, the boy's mother called the school to excuse her, posing as her grandmother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 (edited) I watched the related video of the 911 calls from the abortion clinic, too. Pretty awful. Like the caller in saying "We have a possible perforation -- we need a transport but no lights or sirens -- do you have to have lights or sirens?" Gee, is that because you're more concerned about people noticing there is trouble at your clinic, as opposed to being concerned about the welfare of the woman and people knowing to get out of the way, because there is an ambulance coming? And the poor woman who had her child come out whole 2 days after the attempted abortion -- she held it in the palm of her hand. Edited April 13, 2007 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted April 14, 2007 Author Share Posted April 14, 2007 yeah, i heard some of those too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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