Mormonism?

[Budge]

Ive been watching that show on PBS and plan to watch it tonight.

Why would you care if it was somewhat anti-Mormon? I dont want PBS which has enough liberal problems doing propaganda FOR the Mormon church.

Actually you all should see what secret Mormon Temple rituals are like...

[img]http://i15.tinypic.com/6aithm8.jpg[/img]

Heres two Mormon "priests" in their temple ritual getup.

Mormons rituals have direct links to Masonry...{notice the aprons and the hand gestures}

What is interesting is that Mormonism CELEBRATES that Adam and Eve sinned in the garden.

[url="http://home.teleport.com/~packham/temples.htm"]THIS SITE TALKS ABOUT AND SHOWS SECRET MORMON RITUALS[/url]

Your church isnt the only one I have exposed as being in error, I have spent time on Mormonism including direct witnessing to two "missionaries" in my old town.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Budge' post='1260497' date='Apr 30 2007, 07:57 AM']Oh well from Mormonism to Catholicism, frying pan to fire...

Ive witnessed to Mormons given them tracts and have informed them they dont need Temple rituals to enter heaven.

Mormonism is a LOT like Catholicism, plenty of parallels..

Temple rituals equal sacraments.[/quote]

I'm no fan of Mormonism... they aren't even trinitarian... How can you say that it's like Catholicism?

BTW, we watched much (though not all) of last night's PBS show.....

I think when someone complains that PBS is being "anti___" it seems that that perspective is not be portrayed fairly-- ie, facts are being distorted to promote an agenda. I'm not saying that that is or is not the case with the PBS show. The LDS church already has enough reasons for me to dislike it without having to distort facts to make it seem worse...

[carrdero]

[quote name='Budge' post='1261654' date='May 1 2007, 11:42 AM'][color="#000080"]Ive been watching that show on PBS and plan to watch it tonight.

Why would you care if it was somewhat anti-Mormon? I dont want PBS which has enough liberal problems doing propaganda FOR the Mormon church.[/color]
Actually you all should see what secret Mormon Temple rituals are like...

Heres two Mormon "priests" in their temple ritual getup.

Mormons rituals have direct links to Masonry...{notice the aprons and the hand gestures}

What is interesting is that Mormonism CELEBRATES that Adam and Eve sinned in the garden.

[url="http://home.teleport.com/~packham/temples.htm"]THIS SITE TALKS ABOUT AND SHOWS SECRET MORMON RITUALS[/url]

[color="#000080"]Your church isnt the only one I have exposed as being in error, I have spent time on Mormonism including direct witnessing to two "missionaries" in my old town.[/color][/quote]

[color="#000080"]Budge, who is this post directed at?[/color]

Edited May 1, 2007 by carrdero

[carrdero]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1261661' date='May 1 2007, 11:48 AM']I'm no fan of Mormonism... they aren't even trinitarian... How can you say that it's like Catholicism?

BTW, we watched much (though not all) of last night's PBS show.....

I think when someone complains that PBS is being "anti___" it seems that that perspective is not be portrayed fairly-- ie, facts are being distorted to promote an agenda. I'm not saying that that is or is not the case with the PBS show. The LDS church already has enough reasons for me to dislike it without having to distort facts to make it seem worse...[/quote]
What is interesting about the Mormon religion is not only is it an American made religion but most of the history is verifiable from either documented writings and first-hand testimony. Depending on the sources one can usually gather enough perspectives to actually understand what exactly happened during those early moments of their established Church. Moromons don't really like to revisit these upsets of their history and I am sure that documentaries that report this information doesn't really do anything to comfort or reinforce their faith as much as it challenges their beleifs.

Edited May 1, 2007 by carrdero

[jckinsman]

I did not get a chance to watch the show,I will try tonight! Katholikos....I really got alot from that, It I am going to find the book today! Still he is 15 and in his familys home.!

[Katholikos]

[quote name='Budge' post='1261654' date='May 1 2007, 11:42 AM']Your church isnt the only one I have exposed as being in error, I have spent time on Mormonism including direct witnessing to two "missionaries" in my old town.[/quote]

Ah, yes, we know.

The Catholic Church, which was founded by Jesus Christ and taught by the Apostles, is in error. Alas, the powers of death prevailed against it. (Mt 16:18-19) Jesus was only kidding when He said that.

The Mormon Church, which was founded by Joseph Smith, is in error.

The only denomination that got it right is Budge's. But she's not telling which of the thousands of Protestant "churches" that is.

Likos

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]Mormons rituals have direct links to Masonry...{notice the aprons and the hand gestures}[/quote]

My great grandma had a fancy apron that used to belong to her own mother (a relic of the Victorian age) and she used her hands a lot during conversation. She was neither a Mason nor a Mormon.

I don't doubt for one moment that Mormonism is false, but you can't argue against it using comparisons and parallels that are as superficial as all that.

[jeffpugh]

I don't appreciate the fact that Budge puts us in lines with Mormonism. Oh well, I guess we can't get everything we want... btw Carrdero, that was some interesting stuff on the goings on of a Mormon service. Thanks for sharing that. Thanks for the various input as well, Katholikos.

[ruso]

For my, in Spain the mormons is a sect. I have a protestant friend, and I do not call friend to anyone, I say it so that here is few(Protenstant and rest), but here are present and they are not related to the rest of the Christians. Good luck my sister.
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[jckinsman]

Thank you,ruso! greetings from seattle,washington! Likos.......We do not know which church budge attends?????? Was she not a baptized catholic, now rejecting the church????? I was under the impression she was! JC

[Budge]

If you all visit my board, you can see EXACTLY what kind of church I was in. {before I moved}

Get link off BUDGE thread.

[FatherG]

I suspect I am detecting a theme and perhaps the reason Budge is really here. That is, I suspect he/she is trying to build more traffic for her/his forum while at the same time attacking our faith. Again, I strongly discourage active participation at that forum since to do so only lends credibility to a point of view that is unbiblical, historically inaccurate and patently absurd.

[Budge]

actually the links were usually removed so I havent linked to my board for months and months until recently.

Anyhow whats your take on the Mormon church.
They think their leadership is INFALLIBLE too.

[quote]to a point of view that is unbiblical, historically inaccurate and patently absurd.[/quote]

Translation>>>>>>>>>>

Dont engage those fundies, because you may actually learn something that brings the whole Catholic Church deck of cards into question!

Edited May 2, 2007 by Budge

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='Budge' post='1262429' date='May 2 2007, 09:00 AM']Anyhow whats your take on the Mormon church.
They think their leadership is INFALLIBLE too.
Translation>>>>>>>>>>[/quote]

Budge thinks she's infallible, so by the use of absurd correlations, she can't follow her own beliefs.

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1262921' date='May 2 2007, 08:07 PM']Budge thinks she's infallible, so by the use of absurd correlations, she can't follow her own beliefs.[/quote]

edit:

That should be "...by the use of her absurd correlations..."

[Katholikos]

[quote name='jckinsman' post='1262262' date='May 2 2007, 02:09 AM']Thank you,ruso! greetings from seattle,washington! Likos.......We do not know which church budge attends?????? Was she not a baptized catholic, now rejecting the church????? I was under the impression she was! JC[/quote]

To my knowledge, Budge has said that she has twice left the Catholic Church. She rejected the Church and became a Unitarian Universalist (which lasted several years); she returned briefly, and then she "got saved" and left again. Her posts tell me that she knows little about Catholicism.

She has never revealed her denomination, as far as I know, despite having been asked several times. She is willing to tell us about the UU experience, but she keeps her current affiliation secret. I suspect it's because she knows that when she reveals the name, we'll know too much about its history and doctrines. It was probably founded in the 19th century -- maybe the 20th -- an old, venerable, and apostolic institution, right?

There are some here who have opined that Budge has started her own church, and that is a definite possibility. Her religion has been dubbed "Budgeanity." Did I get the spelling right, guys? We know she claims infallibility for her doctrines.

Budge hangs out at Former Catholics for Christ, which competes for first place as the most vitriolic, anti-Catholic website on the Net. That's where she gets most of her material. She may be at FCFC less these days, since she has her own website now (I think). She is totally dedicated to destroying the Catholic faith of any believer by every means possible. She rarely reads what any of us write, preferring to start a thread and leave, only to return again with another of her exposés.

That's my take on Budge. Poor girl, she needs our prayers.

Peace be with you, JC.

Likos

[Budge]

[quote]To my knowledge, Budge has said that she has twice left the Catholic Church. She rejected the Church and became a Unitarian Universalist (which lasted several years); she returned briefly, and then she "got saved" and left again. Her posts tell me that she knows little about Catholicism.[/quote]I was a cradle Catholics, raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, had a cousin priest and mothers best friend was a nun including my confirmation sponser. The claim I dont know much about Catholicism is a diversion because I disagree with it.

I became UU in college and was UU for THIRTEEN YEARS, not just several. I considered even a UU ministership but other things got in the way. {thankfully}

I left the UU in ONE DAY, long story, knowing Jesus Christ was Lord on intellectual level, but not yet saved.

I went back to the Catholic Church because it was where I was brought up, and I beleived it tob e Christian.

I would be there only 2 and half years or so. {even took RCIA having been confirmed as teen--i was told I only had to make confession for re-entry, to try and make decision if I wanted to stay}

I was born again and God led me to my last loved church that I miss so so much.

[quote]
She has never revealed her denomination, as far as I know, despite having been asked several times. She is willing to tell us about the UU experience, but she keeps her current affiliation secret. I suspect it's because she knows that when she reveals the name, we'll know too much about its history and doctrines. It was probably founded in the 19th century -- maybe the 20th -- an old, venerable, and apostolic institution, right?[/quote]
[b]Wrong.
[/b]
I was in an [b]independent BAPTIS[/b]T church since I was saved it was my first church. I recently moved and was very sad to leave them. Right on my board I admit this, and talk about my church and the goodbye dinner I had. The post I think is still on the front page. I am still presently looking for a good church home.

I will be visiting my old church, very very soon.
[quote]

There are some here who have opined that Budge has started her own church, and that is a definite possibility. Her religion has been dubbed "Budgeanity." Did I get the spelling right, guys? We know she claims infallibility for her doctrines.
[/quote]Nope.

Read above.

Some of you need to get your facts more straight...[quote]
Budge hangs out at Former Catholics for Christ, which competes for first place as the most vitriolic, anti-Catholic website on the Net. That's where she gets most of her material. She may be at FCFC less these days, since she has her own website now (I think). She is totally dedicated to destroying the Catholic faith of any believer by every means possible. She rarely reads what any of us write, preferring to start a thread and leave, only to return again with another of her exposés.[/quote]


I left FCFC long ago,.

I found out that that many of them were RUCKMANITES. They have a few real Christians who arent Ruckman followers there but the admins were.

I disagree with Ruckmans theology which denies even that Christ is God.


Yes I do have my other website now, which has been talked about here on another thread.

I read what you all write, just disagree with a lot

Edited May 3, 2007 by Budge

[jckinsman]

Okay that was very interesting! Are your parents still catholic? Brothers? Sisters? Did anyone else in your family leave the faith? JC

Edited May 9, 2007 by jckinsman

[jckinsman]

One more thing,....What was it budge? That one defining moment that made you turn your back on His church? Was it just to much to understand it all? To much to study (and understand) and much easier to see the protestant way of thinking? Its tough being catholic budge! There is so much to learn and grow in, you truly feel like a child before Him. I was cradle catholic also. That is why I know that you can go through all that you went through(CCD classes,school etc.) and still not know what the church truly teaches. JC

[jckinsman]

One more thing,....What was it budge? That one defining moment that made you turn your back on His church? Was it just to much to understand it all? To much to study (and understand) and much easier to see the protestant way of thinking? Its tough being catholic budge! There is so much to learn and grow in, you truly feel like a child before Him. I was cradle catholic also. That is why I know that you can go through all that you went through(CCD classes,school etc.) and still not know what the church truly teaches. JC