Hirsap Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Discuss. I ask this in order to clarify, in a way. In my Missal it says that Catholics are bound to know the Our Father, Hail Mary, and Apostles Creed (maybe Glory Be as well) under pain of mortal sin. Of course, neglect towards not knowing the substance of the Faith would indeed be seriously sinful (the substance of the faith being outlined in the Apostles Creed), but would not knowing the Apostles Creed itself be seriously sinful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Never heard of that before. What missal? What date? Published by whom? I don't see anything in the CCC that states this, but I could be mistaken. Methinks the CCC is a magisterial document, whereas a missal/missalette is not. hmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodChaser Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 [quote name='Hirsap' post='1280295' date='May 24 2007, 01:09 AM']Discuss. I ask this in order to clarify, in a way. In my Missal it says that Catholics are bound to know the Our Father, Hail Mary, and Apostles Creed (maybe Glory Be as well) under pain of mortal sin. Of course, neglect towards not knowing the substance of the Faith would indeed be seriously sinful (the substance of the faith being outlined in the Apostles Creed), but would not knowing the Apostles Creed itself be seriously sinful?[/quote] I don't know the Apostles Creed, but then, I'm not Catholic. I guess that is a mortal sin. Pour GodChaser is going to hell yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1280762' date='May 24 2007, 06:36 PM']Never heard of that before. What missal? What date? Published by whom? I don't see anything in the CCC that states this, but I could be mistaken. Methinks the CCC is a magisterial document, whereas a missal/missalette is not. hmm....[/quote] Methinks that the CCC does not contain each and every thing about the Catholic Faith in it, even if it does contain many things. Edited May 25, 2007 by StThomasMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 I've seen many examinations of conscience over the years I've been a Catholic. I've never seen one that listed not knowing the Apostles Creed as a mortal sin, have you? The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed (from A.D. 325, 381) is recited every Sunday at the Holy Mass. It might well be a sin not to know that one! Likos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 [quote name='GodChaser' post='1280877' date='May 24 2007, 09:11 PM']I don't know the Apostles Creed, but then, I'm not Catholic. I guess that is a mortal sin. Pour GodChaser is going to hell yet again. [/quote] The Church, which speaks for Christ (Luke 10:16), legislates only for its own members. If you're an ex-Catholic, however, you should worry. "Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it [u]or to remain in it[/u]. CCC 846 (underscore added) Praying for your conversion, Likos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodChaser Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Then let God be the judge between you and me. I know I am innocent of anything you're accusing me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uruviel Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 (edited) I know nothing about this, but when thinking about it I would think that, you must BELIEVE all of the articles, or at least be aware of them. Those are facts about your faith basically, that EVERY Catholic MUST know. Whether you have them memorized in a prayer would seem irrelevant to me. Edited May 25, 2007 by uruviel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1280879' date='May 24 2007, 09:13 PM']Methinks that the CCC does not contain each and every thing about the Catholic Faith in it, even if it does contain many things.[/quote] And thank you for being around to "fill the gap" where the Church magisterium has been negligent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 [quote name='GodChaser' post='1280954' date='May 24 2007, 10:23 PM']Then let God be the judge between you and me. I know I am innocent of anything you're accusing me off.[/quote] Did you see your name mentioned in any of these posts concerning Church teaching or doctrine? Since you are personalizing these things, perhaps your guilty conscience is trying to tell you something. Listen up. Likos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrockthefirst Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 [quote name='Hirsap' post='1280295' date='May 24 2007, 01:09 AM']Discuss. I ask this in order to clarify, in a way. In my Missal it says that Catholics are bound to know the Our Father, Hail Mary, and Apostles Creed (maybe Glory Be as well) under pain of mortal sin. Of course, neglect towards not knowing the substance of the Faith would indeed be seriously sinful (the substance of the faith being outlined in the Apostles Creed), but would not knowing the Apostles Creed itself be seriously sinful?[/quote] This is akin to stating, "you believe something, but you don't know what you believe." The Apostles' Creed, in conjunction with the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, is the basic, fundamental statement of the Christian faith. I'm not sure that it's necessarily "sinful" not to know it but how can one claim to be a Christian and [i]not[/i] know it? For example, my oldest child learned it, along with the Glory Be and Hail Mary, in CCD during the year of his First Communion. I believe that he learned the Our Father the prior year. These are the very touchstones of our Faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodChaser Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 [quote name='Katholikos' post='1281239' date='May 25 2007, 11:20 AM']Did you see your name mentioned in any of these posts concerning Church teaching or doctrine? Since you are personalizing these things, perhaps your guilty conscience is trying to tell you something. Listen up. Likos[/quote] Sorry, no guilty conciousness friend. You give me the giggles! I'm not guility of anything you are accusing me of. Before you make judgements my friend, remind yourself when you point a finger, three fingers are pointing back at you. Did not Jesus say, let the first who lived his life without sin cast the first stone. Did not Jesus say, if they use his name to overcome the enemy, they are with the apostles. Did not Jesus say, consider the plank in your own eye before you remove the smote in your brothers eye. Did not Jesus say, judge not, lest ye be judged with the same judgement you judge with. I discourge this kind of debate with me, because I do not want my lord Jesus Christ to judge between us Likos. I do not wish this between me and any person in the world. But if you continue your, if you were once Catholic (I went to 2 or 3 services) and now you're not and you're going to go to hell, then the Lord is going to intervene on my behalf - and you won't like what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 (edited) God Chaser, Catholics do not claim to know who is going to hell, who is in hell, or who will be going to hell in the future. You're taking offense where none was given. If you were not Catholic (I had understood you to say you were) that paragraph does not apply to you. I didn't say you were, I said IF you were. Please reread my post. You have read yourself into comments that have been made on this forum, but no one has accused you of anything. You were not even mentioned. BTW, this is the Debate Forum. Write to me privately if you wish. j.jaydamien@yahoo.com Chill out, will ya huh? May the peace of Christ be with you, now and always. Likos Edited May 26, 2007 by Katholikos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Eastern Christians don't really use the Apostles Creed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1281851' date='May 26 2007, 05:46 PM']Eastern Christians don't really use the Apostles Creed.[/quote] The Eastern Catholic equivalent to the Apostles' Creed the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed which the Latins rarely use outside of Mass on Sundays and great feasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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