Mercy me Posted July 3, 2007 Posted July 3, 2007 I sthe reaspn that the churches have become so ugly budgetary? I have heard that artisanship to build such beautiful building is just not found anymore.
Lil Red Posted July 4, 2007 Author Posted July 4, 2007 i've heard that many dioceses/parishes want to pay off their debt on their churches right away - but gosh, a lot of European churches took 150 years to build!
Budge Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) Have you all read about this ugly monstrosity, another antichrist cathedral for the NWO? It looks like they could use it for an alien set for a sci fi movie... This one will probably make Taj Mahoney look like nothing.... Oakland California... [img]http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2000/11/30/mn_cathedral4.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2000/11/30/mn_cathedral1.jpg[/img] View from above... Why not put a shingle out front, PAGAN PALACE, all ye who enter here, abandon hope. the name is scary too.. Christ THE LIGHT Cathedral. cosmic antichrist more like it not jesus christ of the bible... [img]http://www.liturgicalenvirons.com/images/cmp_phoProjChristTheLight_03.jpg[/img] Theres occultic imagery in that shape, YONI...and eye of "horus"..... Bet when they build the place it will have dozens of Satan's markers like Mahoneys Palace does. Edited July 4, 2007 by Budge
aalpha1989 Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1311880' date='Jul 3 2007, 11:39 PM']Have you all read about this ugly monstrosity, another antichrist cathedral for the NWO? It looks like they could use it for an alien set for a sci fi movie... This one will probably make Taj Mahoney look like nothing.... Oakland California... [img]http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2000/11/30/mn_cathedral4.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2000/11/30/mn_cathedral1.jpg[/img] View from above... Why not put a shingle out front, PAGAN PALACE, all ye who enter here, abandon hope. the name is scary too.. Christ THE LIGHT Cathedral. cosmic antichrist more like it not jesus christ of the bible... [img]http://www.liturgicalenvirons.com/images/cmp_phoProjChristTheLight_03.jpg[/img] Theres occultic imagery in that shape, YONI...and eye of "horus"..... Bet when they build the place it will have dozens of Satan's markers like Mahoneys Palace does.[/quote] your post is as ridiculous as usual. that being said... this cathedral is not pagan. however, nor is it appropriate for the Catholic Mass. I can't believe such a design would be allowed and i am extremely disappointed in Mahoney. shouldn't the usccb have some say in the matter????? what about the VATICAN do they know about this monstrosity?
MichaelF Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Different economies of scale and type. Back in der Tag (and on up through the start of the 20th Century in the West), most parish churches (and non-urban cathedrals) were built from local materials, with a mortared stone (or adobe, etc) structure, by the local population. Now it's wood or steel frame with drywall and insulation (goes up much, much faster), from industrial materials, by professionals (due to building codes and local/State laws). Current Cathedrals are a different matter, though. You can't just hire a local contractor to build you a cathedral, as public structures of that capacity and aesthetic are the purview of specialist/semi-specialist architect firms. The problem with hiring an architect who specializes in cathedrals/"worship spaces" is that, more often than not, you get the "vision" too. IOW, the architect puts his/her own spin on the final product. Ask for a neoGothic structure, using St. Patrick's as a template, you can easily end up with Our Lady of The Angels (LA Archdiocese), once the architect gets done putting in his $0.02. Personally, I'm of the opinion that the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (whew!) should mandate a list of 5-6 broad "styles" that chapels and cathedrals must adhere to. NeoGothic, Byzantine, Romanesque, etc. Not cookie-cutter templates, but broad guidleines to keep us away from things like Cardinal Mahoney's Furher Bunker. Or this: (St Luke's, Austria) [img]http://bp2.blogger.com/_AiM_qVeVUEY/Rmjfp-YB_HI/AAAAAAAABZQ/nRvj_JMa2FE/s400/SanLucaInterno.jpg[/img] [img]http://bp2.blogger.com/_AiM_qVeVUEY/Rmjfp-YB_GI/AAAAAAAABZI/_perGflDUXE/s400/SanLucaAltare.jpg[/img] Deacons: Rev Mr. Worf & Rev Mr. Riker.
MichaelF Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) Double Post. Edited July 4, 2007 by MichaelF
MichaelF Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='aalpha1989' post='1311902' date='Jul 3 2007, 11:53 PM']this cathedral is not pagan. however, nor is it appropriate for the Catholic Mass. I can't believe such a design would be allowed and i am extremely disappointed in Mahoney. shouldn't the usccb have some say in the matter????? what about the VATICAN do they know about this monstrosity?[/quote] Looks like they hired the Set Designer from [i]Logan's Run[/i]...
MichaelF Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Imperial Command: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Liverpool_Metropolitan_Cathedral.jpg/180px-Liverpool_Metropolitan_Cathedral.jpg[/img] Actually, Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral.
IcePrincessKRS Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Bishops don't always have a say in the design. The parish my in-laws attend is, admittedly, very modern looking and ugly. When the plans were drawn up for the building (the old church building got hit by lightning and caught fire) there was a lot of opposition from the parishoners to the modern design but the pastor (he's not there anymore) insisted and wouldn't have it any other way.
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1311880' date='Jul 3 2007, 10:39 PM']Have you all read about this ugly monstrosity, another antichrist cathedral for the NWO? It looks like they could use it for an alien set for a sci fi movie... This one will probably make Taj Mahoney look like nothing.... Oakland California... [img]http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2000/11/30/mn_cathedral4.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2000/11/30/mn_cathedral1.jpg[/img] View from above... Why not put a shingle out front, PAGAN PALACE, all ye who enter here, abandon hope. the name is scary too.. Christ THE LIGHT Cathedral. cosmic antichrist more like it not jesus christ of the bible... [img]http://www.liturgicalenvirons.com/images/cmp_phoProjChristTheLight_03.jpg[/img] Theres occultic imagery in that shape, YONI...and eye of "horus"..... Bet when they build the place it will have dozens of Satan's markers like Mahoneys Palace does.[/quote] In the words of Darth Vader. "NOOO!!!!!!" That thing is going to be posted on new age sites as proof of extra-terrestrials.
Apotheoun Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 The proposed Cathedral of Christ the Light in Oakland (a.k.a., the Oakland Diocese Nuclear Power Facility) is an expensive and hideous building, which the Latin Church in Oakland will be stuck with at least until a major earthquake hits the Bay Area and mercifully destroys it.
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1312077' date='Jul 4 2007, 02:38 AM']The proposed Cathedral of Christ the Light in Oakland (a.k.a., the Oakland Diocese Nuclear Power Facility) is an expensive and hideous building, which the Latin Church in Oakland will be stuck with at least until a major earthquake hits the Bay Area and mercifully destroys it.[/quote] I feel like tearing my garments, putting on sack cloth and ashes and sitting in a dung heap.
Archaeology cat Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1311880' date='Jul 4 2007, 04:39 AM']Theres occultic imagery in that shape, YONI...and eye of "horus".....[/quote] While I don't like the design, it looks nothing like the eye of Horus. [quote name='MichaelF' post='1311943' date='Jul 4 2007, 05:35 AM']Imperial Command: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Liverpool_Metropolitan_Cathedral.jpg/180px-Liverpool_Metropolitan_Cathedral.jpg[/img] Actually, Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral.[/quote] Hey, I like our cathedral. The crown of thorns is pretty amazing. Even though people here do often refer to it as "Paddy's Wigwam". That's not to say that I don't like the traditional designs better, but the Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King is still pretty awe-inspiring. And they do Latin Mass there. The original design for it was quite traditional, and would have been larger than St. Paul's in London, but they only got the Crypt built before WWII. So the Crypt has a completely different style than the Cathedral itself. And it's nice because it's right beside campus, so I can go to daily Mass (which is in the Crypt) during my lunch break.
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1312091' date='Jul 4 2007, 03:55 AM']While I don't like the design, it looks nothing like the eye of Horus.[/quote] Agreed. [img]http://www.liturgicalenvirons.com/images/cmp_phoProjChristTheLight_03.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.netconstructions.com/horus/images/wedjat.jpg[/img] I'm not seeing it; it looks more like a football or some kind of weird clam thing. [img]http://img.search.com/6/60/Vince_Lombardi_Trophy.jpg[/img]
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 [img]http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2000/11/30/mn_cathedral4.jpg[/img] [img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/war-of-the-worlds.jpg[/img]
MichaelF Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1312157' date='Jul 4 2007, 08:42 AM'][img]http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2000/11/30/mn_cathedral4.jpg[/img][/quote] Might make a decent opera house, depending on the acoustics.
Maggyie Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Who comes up with these designs? I am not at all opposed to all modern architecture, when it is done well it can be beautiful. Hopefully the Cathedral will look better when it is done than in the models. Whenever I see these big blank expanses in church buildings I have this impulse to call in an army of icon painters...
homeschoolmom Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1312157' date='Jul 4 2007, 08:42 AM'][img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/war-of-the-worlds.jpg[/img][/quote]
Lil Red Posted July 4, 2007 Author Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' post='1312043' date='Jul 4 2007, 12:28 AM']Bishops don't always have a say in the design. The parish my in-laws attend is, admittedly, very modern looking and ugly. When the plans were drawn up for the building (the old church building got hit by lightning and caught fire) there was a lot of opposition from the parishoners to the modern design but the pastor (he's not there anymore) insisted and wouldn't have it any other way.[/quote] okay, but couldn't the bishop overrule the pastor? isn't that part of his duty to protect his flock?
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