IcePrincessKRS Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1317220' date='Jul 7 2007, 10:08 PM']Hsmom, My apologies, the truth is often offensive. It is sad that when I cannot attend a Byzantine Catholic liturgy on a Sunday, that I have to go to an Eastern Orthodox Church rather than attend a Latin parish that is near my house. God bless, Todd[/quote] I don't believe that anyone finds the truth that some parishes engage in terrible liturgical abuses offensive, Todd. What is offensive is that you take these parishes and hold them up as an example of what every Latin Rite parish is like. THAT is not "truth" and it is offensive to those of us who attend orthodox Latin Rite parishes. I would kindly ask you to stop making those comparisons and be fair in your treatment of our parishes. Pointing out abuses is one thing, but to act as though things like "Halloween Masses" are the norm is untrue and unfair to every faith filled, orthodox, Latin Rite Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1317253' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:27 PM']My goodness people, it just got released thats why theres so many threads...its should be *expected* on a Catholic forum and shouldn't be made to look into something of a nuisance for us. It is a very big deal regardless of what we think! [b]And I would take this kind of coverage on church matters than over Paris Hilton and silly stuff anyday! [/b] Personally, I for one am *Not* tired of it and it *will* effect me as my priest is now adding an additional mass! However, I hope this will allow all of us to take the time to give this mass its proper acknowledge even if we do not get it just yet (I know I don't fully understand it yet but I look forward to trying). I think it is just too new to us to truly understand its impact but it *will* have one I am sure! : Lets not jump the gun too early now I myself expect to give myself plenty of time to truly embrace it and be able to experience it fully now that with the MP from Our Holy Father is here and encourage others to do the same in whatever way they choose they would like too! [/quote] :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' post='1317312' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:45 PM']I don't believe that anyone finds the truth that some parishes engage in terrible liturgical abuses offensive, Todd. What is offensive is that you take these parishes and hold them up as an example of what every Latin Rite parish is like. THAT is not "truth" and it is offensive to those of us who attend orthodox Latin Rite parishes. I would kindly ask you to stop making those comparisons and be fair in your treatment of our parishes. Pointing out abuses is one thing, but to act as though things like "Halloween Masses" are the norm is untrue and unfair to every faith filled, orthodox, Latin Rite Catholic.[/quote] :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1317268' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:31 PM']I just think it is totally inappropriate that was brought up and totally off topic.[/quote] I with respect disagree... it is on topic. Why, because this thread is why the Motu Proprio matters why [b]it is important[/b]. And one of the BIG reasons for the Motu Proprio is to counter those types of abuses. I don't think Apotheoun meant to be disrespectful, it is hard to tell a truth of such a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) KoC --- The bringing up the alleged affair that the priest had is what I find offensive that he brought up ---- I am not referring to the liturgical abuses. Yet this topic is not about liturgical abuses. [b]I can also use bold lettering.[/b].... ok... I was just bored and wanted to use some. Edited July 8, 2007 by philosobrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1317188' date='Jul 7 2007, 07:48 PM']Perhaps, but I was responding to Scardella's question of whether he was alone in the way he feels about the MP. I was merely pointing out that he is not.[/quote] Ah, I see. I agree in a spirit of lamentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1317253' date='Jul 7 2007, 11:27 PM']My goodness people, it just got released thats why theres so many threads...its should be *expected* on a Catholic forum and shouldn't be made to look into something of a nuisance for us. It is a very big deal regardless of what we think! [b]And I would take this kind of coverage on church matters than over Paris Hilton and silly stuff anyday! [/b] Personally, I for one am *Not* tired of it and it *will* effect me as my priest is now adding an additional mass! However, I hope this will allow all of us to take the time to give this mass its proper acknowledge even if we do not get it just yet (I know I don't fully understand it yet but I look forward to trying). I think it is just too new to us to truly understand its impact but it *will* have one I am sure! : Lets not jump the gun too early now I myself expect to give myself plenty of time to truly embrace it and be able to experience it fully now that with the MP from Our Holy Father is here and encourage others to do the same in whatever way they choose they would like too! [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tojo Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' post='1317312' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:45 PM'][b]Pointing out abuses is one thing, but to act as though things like "Halloween Masses" are the norm is untrue and unfair to every faith filled, orthodox, Latin Rite Catholic.[/b][/quote] Amen. Indeed it offensive to such Catholics who attend Mass celebrated under both forms of our Rite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Since when is a Catholic allowed to attend an EOC liturgy in place of a Mass if a Latin Mass is available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Sorry Flowery and HSMom, I didn't mean to detract from the original topic. I will be honest, a part of me is really happy and a part of me doesn't care so much. The part that does not care is the part that lets the human element get under my skin and irritate me--the part that lets the "rad-trad" line of thinking irritate me. I got a joyous, excited e-mail from my mother a couple days ago and she was SO happy about the release of this document. I wanted to be as excited as her. I think I've just ran into too many of the type of comments that drag me down lately. Mentally I KNOW this is an awesome thing, but emotionally I'm having a hard time FEELING what my brain knows. If that makes sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' post='1317339' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:50 PM']Sorry Flowery and HSMom, I didn't mean to detract from the original topic. I will be honest, a part of me is really happy and a part of me doesn't care so much. The part that does not care is the part that lets the human element get under my skin and irritate me--the part that lets the "rad-trad" line of thinking irritate me. I got a joyous, excited e-mail from my mother a couple days ago and she was SO happy about the release of this document. I wanted to be as excited as her. I think I've just ran into too many of the type of comments that drag me down lately. Mentally I KNOW this is an awesome thing, but emotionally I'm having a hard time FEELING what my brain knows. If that makes sense...[/quote] You have expressed what I found hard to say. It is hard to explain. I wish I could feel elated over this, but part of me feels really liturgically [i]worn out. [/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1317323' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:47 PM']I with respect disagree... it is on topic. Why, because this thread is why the Motu Proprio matters why [b]it is important[/b]. And one of the BIG reasons for the Motu Proprio is to counter those types of abuses. I don't think Apotheoun meant to be disrespectful, it is hard to tell a truth of such a bad thing.[/quote] What I am hoping is that the Motu Proprio will encourage more orthodox traditional Catholics to [b]stay in their own geographic parishes[/b] instead of feeling they must retreat. Taking orthodox people and concentrating them in some parishes while abandoning others does little to address the liturgical abuses that some traditionalists are so fond of pointing out. Edited July 8, 2007 by Terra Firma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' post='1317312' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:45 PM']I don't believe that anyone finds the truth that some parishes engage in terrible liturgical abuses offensive, Todd. What is offensive is that you take these parishes and hold them up as an example of what every Latin Rite parish is like. THAT is not "truth" and it is offensive to those of us who attend orthodox Latin Rite parishes. I would kindly ask you to stop making those comparisons and be fair in your treatment of our parishes. Pointing out abuses is one thing, but to act as though things like "Halloween Masses" are the norm is untrue and unfair to every faith filled, orthodox, Latin Rite Catholic.[/quote] Agreed. I must admit that I've had far too many bad experiences so I can relate to where Apotheoun is coming from, but I often recall Masses of the [i]Forma Ordinaria[/i] such as that pictured below to balance myself out. In fact straight away after my conversion my experience of parish life was extremely dualistic. I had an insanely scandalous "liberal" parish right by my house which I was often forced to frequent, and a glorious and reverent parish (of the [i]Forma Ordinaria[/i]) down the way that was my true preference. The picture below is from an off camera EWTN [i]Forma Ordinaria[/i] Mass at the shrine. I've visited this place a number of times and found the Liturgies to be quite refreshing and edifying. [img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/n507820074_627741_8255.jpg[/img] But I must say that it would be equally mistaken to ignore abuses or pretend that everything is peachy. I am scandalized and horrified on a regular basis when I depart from my normal parish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1317342' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:53 PM']You have expressed what I found hard to say. It is hard to explain. I wish I could feel elated over this, but part of me feels really liturgically [i]worn out. [/i][/quote] maybe that is what the OP was trying to express.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1317345' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:54 PM']The picture below is from an off camera EWTN Mass at the shrine. I've visited this place a number of times and found the Liturgies to be quite refreshing and edifying. [img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/n507820074_627741_8255.jpg[/img][/quote] You are right, LD.... that does look beautiful. What is the significance of the red altar server cassocks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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