IcePrincessKRS Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1317253' date='Jul 7 2007, 10:27 PM']My goodness people, it just got released thats why theres so many threads...its should be *expected* on a Catholic forum and shouldn't be made to look into something of a nuisance for us. It is a very big deal regardless of what we think! [b]And I would take this kind of coverage on church matters than over Paris Hilton and silly stuff anyday! [/b] Personally, I for one am *Not* tired of it and it *will* effect me as my priest is now adding an additional mass! However, I hope this will allow all of us to take the time to give this mass its proper acknowledge even if we do not get it just yet (I know I don't fully understand it yet but I look forward to trying). I think it is just too new to us to truly understand its impact but it *will* have one I am sure! : Lets not jump the gun too early now I myself expect to give myself plenty of time to truly embrace it and be able to experience it fully now that with the MP from Our Holy Father is here and encourage others to do the same in whatever way they choose they would like too! [/quote] I just have to add to all the :applause: to this post, Flowery. : Its so, so, SO AWESOME that your priest is already adding in new Masses to accommodate those who want to attend a Trid. Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1317347' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:54 PM'] maybe that is what the OP was trying to express....[/quote] I just realized that "OP" means "Original Poster" .... not that you were referring to Dominicans.... I've been spending too much time in the VS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' post='1317312' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:45 PM']I don't believe that anyone finds the truth that some parishes engage in terrible liturgical abuses offensive, Todd. What is offensive is that you take these parishes and hold them up as an example of what every Latin Rite parish is like. THAT is not "truth" and it is offensive to those of us who attend orthodox Latin Rite parishes. I would kindly ask you to stop making those comparisons and be fair in your treatment of our parishes. Pointing out abuses is one thing, but to act as though things like "Halloween Masses" are the norm is untrue and unfair to every faith filled, orthodox, Latin Rite Catholic.[/quote] I do not believe he said "every" or even meant every Latin Rite parish is like that. I believe he meant alot or something like (and the one he lives closes too) but not "every", I dont believe. But these types of abuses are well spread, which is why His Holiness is working so hard to fight against the false spirit of VII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 I am extremely happy about the MP but even I am approaching the point of exhaustion, if only because I have cared about it for a long time and I have been pouring over every article that has come out about it for the last two years or so. Obviously the Church is not on our 24-hour news cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1317350' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:57 PM']You are right, LD.... that does look beautiful. What is the significance of the red altar server cassocks?[/quote] As I understand it, traditionally in the Latin Rite altar boys wore the black cassock during Lent and Advent and the red cassock at other times in the liturgical year. Well, I don't think this was ever an official thing, just something that was common for a time. The red cassock has also been used in the past to distinguish altar boys from acolytes proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1317343' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:53 PM']What I am hoping is that the Motu Proprio will encourage more orthodox traditional Catholics to [b]stay in their own geographic parishes[/b] instead of feeling they must retreat.[/quote] I pray the same, yet there comes a time to wipe their feet and leave. But yes they must do everything under heaven to stay before they retreat. [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1317343' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:53 PM']Taking orthodox people and concentrating them in some parishes while abandoning others does little to address the liturgical abuses that some traditionalists are so fond of pointing out.[/quote] If traditionalists are fond of pointing out abuses they are very unjust to do so, however I do not agree that traditionalists are so fond of pointing out such abuses! I believe with all of my heart they are deeply hurt by such abuses because of their deep love for Christ in the Most Holy Eucharist!!! Edited July 8, 2007 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 I've never been to a Latin Mass so I'm excited I don't know any Latin but I'll have a wonderful teacher and I have my aunt's old Missal. I still love the NO and I enjoy it but I'm excited to experience this as well. Both are beautiful forms of the Mass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1317374' date='Jul 7 2007, 10:04 PM']As I understand it, traditionally in the Latin Rite altar boys wore the black cassock during Lent and Advent and the red cassock at other times in the liturgical year. Well, I don't think this was ever an official thing, just something that was common for a time. The red cassock has also been used in the past to distinguish altar boys from acolytes proper.[/quote] Cool beans. I've seen some awesome colors for the altar servers at the Eastern Rite Liturgy I used to go to --- blue was my favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1317396' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:13 PM']Cool beans. I've seen some awesome colors for the altar servers at the Eastern Rite Liturgy I used to go to --- blue was my favorite. [/quote] Aww man, I once served in the Divine Liturgy with an Eastern Catholic Archbishop celebrant on the feast of the Theophany and the sacred attire that I was given to wear was unbelievable! I've never been so well dressed. ;-) Memories... Btw, that was an incredibly phly Liturgy, perhaps the peak liturgical experience of my life. Thanks for reminding me. : Oh, and it was probably about two and a half or three hours long, and of course I stood the whole time, and yet it seemed short when it was over because it was just such a rich and intense experience. I've never since experienced the presence of the Angelic hosts and the transcendent mystery of the liturgy like I did that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1317406' date='Jul 7 2007, 10:17 PM']Aww man, I once served in the Divine Liturgy with an Eastern Catholic Archbishop celebrant on the feast of the Theophany and the sacred attire that I was given to wear was unbelievable! I've never been so well dressed. ;-) Memories... Btw, that was an incredibly phly Liturgy, perhaps the peak liturgical experience of my life. Thanks for reminding me. : Oh, and it was probably about two and a half or three hours long, and of course I stood the whole time, and yet it seemed short when it was over because it was just such a rich and intense experience. I've never since experienced the presence of the Angelic hosts and the transcendent mystery of the liturgy like I did that day.[/quote] Do you recall which Rite it was? Ruthenian, Romanian.... etc? totally off topic, BUT........... I now await the document on the return of icon entrusted walls. [img]http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/brittanymarie524/Picture327.jpg[/img] j/k but i do love it.... this pic is from a Serbian Orthodox Cemetery Chapel in IL. Edited July 8, 2007 by philosobrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' post='1317339' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:50 PM']Sorry Flowery and HSMom, I didn't mean to detract from the original topic. I will be honest, a part of me is really happy and a part of me doesn't care so much. The part that does not care is the part that lets the human element get under my skin and irritate me--the part that lets the "rad-trad" line of thinking irritate me. I got a joyous, excited e-mail from my mother a couple days ago and she was SO happy about the release of this document. I wanted to be as excited as her. I think I've just ran into too many of the type of comments that drag me down lately. Mentally I KNOW this is an awesome thing, but emotionally I'm having a hard time FEELING what my brain knows. If that makes sense...[/quote] No apologies needed Miss Icey! While sadly, in some regions it is common for those awful abuses there are many (especially those here who attend good parishes) that are fully faithful. thank you for that. I know what you mean by being set back in sorts and it can be tiring. I know what comes with this but personally I am also very determined to learn more about it because when you think about it... I just know that the mass is the mass, and everything else that might be an obstacle for me did not come with the mass itself. Anyways generally speaking, it is a learning and changing moment for all of us and well, we'll take it as it comes. Regardless of what parish we attend though, whats most important is that all faithful in the end is to set aside differences for this change and we'll be okay..... : and of course.....represent the POPE! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1317380' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:07 PM']I pray the same, yet there comes a time to wipe their feet and leave. But yes they must do everything under heaven to stay before they retreat. If traditionalists are fond of pointing out abuses they are very unjust to do so, however I do not agree that traditionalists are so fond of pointing out such abuses! I believe with all of my heart they are deeply hurt by such abuses because of their deep love for Christ in the Most Holy Eucharist!!![/quote] See, I think that the time to retreat is much, much later than I see many people retreating. As long as the Body and Blood of Christ is present in a parish, there is something worth defending in it and there is strong reason to stay. And I did not say all traditionalists are fond of pointing out abuses ... I said "some" are. I see abuses posted that are years old as if they are still regularly occurring. I think these abuses become an excuse for some to abandon parishes and a justification to abandon the Novus Ordo. And I think that's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1317426' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:25 PM'] Do you recall which Rite it was? Ruthenian, Romanian.... etc?[/quote] It was the Melkite Church. [quote name='philosobrat' post='1317426' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:25 PM']totally off topic, BUT........... I now await the document on the return of icon entrusted walls. [img]http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/brittanymarie524/Picture327.jpg[/img][/quote] Ditto!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 philo, To give an idea the Liturgy looked something like this: [img]http://orthodoxinfo.com/images/decani/liturgy.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.acrod.org/pgimages/priestconv0401d.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.farauanu.com/liturgy.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.ocadow.org/images/reader_2_i.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1317426' date='Jul 7 2007, 10:25 PM'] Do you recall which Rite it was? Ruthenian, Romanian.... etc? totally off topic, BUT........... I now await the document on the return of icon entrusted walls. [/quote] Then we'll really be rockin'!! : lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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