Am I The Only One

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1317175' date='Jul 7 2007, 07:41 PM']well, it's been, what, less than 50 years since it was the ordinary? There are a lot of Baby Boomers, and I'm guessing those who grew up Catholic attended the 1962 form regularly.[/quote]
Ok, most have either never been or just have some vague childhood memory from 40 years ago and have since been immersed in a culture of anti-tradition. Either way I don't think a poll taken from the masses of American Catholics has much bearing on the issues. The fact is the Church in America is largely impoverished and uncatechized. I think Plato's critique of democracy applies here.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1317181' date='Jul 7 2007, 07:45 PM']Ok, most have either never been or just have some vague childhood memory from 40 years ago and have since been immersed in a culture of anti-tradition. Either way I don't think a poll taken from the masses of American Catholics has much bearing on the issues. The fact is the Church in America is largely impoverished and uncatechized. I think Plato's critique of democracy applies here.[/quote]
Perhaps, but I was responding to Scardella's question of whether he was alone in the way he feels about the MP. I was merely pointing out that he is not.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='tomasio127' post='1317177' date='Jul 7 2007, 06:43 PM']This is hardly a common experience, and has nothing to do with which form of the Mass being celebrated.[/quote]
It may not be common where you are from, but it is quite common in Roman Church's in the Bay Area.

Here is a picture of a Mass at Christ the King parish in Pleasant Hill California.

[img]http://www.geocities.com/apotheoun/christ_the_king.jpg[/img]

These kinds of things are fairly common at parishes in the SF Bay Area. I am concerned about things like this -- even though I am a Byzantine Catholic -- because the terrible liturgical situation in the Roman Church will no doubt eventually be manifested in my own Church. The use of so-called [i]inclusive language[/i] has already made in-roads into the Ruthenian Church.

[homeschoolmom]

Okay... stop right there... Let's not turn this into that kind of thread... we already have enough. This does nothing to promote unity as a Church.

As a friend of mine as speculated, this is going to cause division among Catholics... and it seems to be...

[alicemary]

I grew up with the latin Mass, not so sure I care if it returns. I prefer the Mass as it is today, for me that is rich liturgy.I like understanding it and the words mean alot to me.
Most people in my church only care that the sermon is short and the Mass lasts less then 40 minutes. People come in late, leave early.

[Apotheoun]

Abuses happen, why pretend that they do not?

The only way to end abuses to to work actively against them.

The picture is from Christ the King parish in Pleasant Hill California and was taken on 1 September 2002.

I recommend that anyone offended by the picture contact the parish, click the link below to get the contact information:

[url="http://www.ctkph.org/"]Christ the King, Pleasant Hill, CA[/url]

[philosophette]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1317156' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:12 PM']Don't get me started on my typical "Novus Ordo" experiences. Besides the fact that saying people "kneel like zombies" is extremely nasty and presumptuous (for all you know they were in the seventh mansion), I would say that in a conversation of this kind the Novus Ordo would certainly lose.[/quote]


Whoa you are taking this WAY out of the context in which I was saying it.

[Socrates]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1317201' date='Jul 7 2007, 07:56 PM']Okay... stop right there... Let's not turn this into that kind of thread... we already have enough. This does nothing to promote unity as a Church.

As a friend of mine as speculated, this is going to cause division among Catholics... and it seems to be...[/quote]
I don't think the MP is [i]causing[/i] division among Catholics - it is simply bringing to light already existing division, brought about largely by "liberal" liturgical abuse.

And call me a naive optimist, but I really don't think the Bay Area insanity represents the future direction of the Church - it's left-over 70s goofiness.

Edited July 8, 2007 by Socrates

[homeschoolmom]

The topic of this thread is whether or not people are tired of hearing about or reading about the MP, NOT about abuses. We are not going to turn this into a Catholic vs. Catholic debate.

Thank you.

[journeyman]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?act=Post&CODE=02&f=2&t=69932&qpid=1315687"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?a...mp;qpid=1315687[/url]


[quote name='cappie' post='1315687' date='Jul 6 2007, 07:32 PM']Time again to repost these, I think:
Fr. Z’s 5 Rules of Engagement for after the Motu Proprio is released:

1) Rejoice because our liturgical life has been enriched, not because “we win”. Everyone wins when the Church’s life is enriched. This is not a “zero sum game”.

2) Do not strut. Let us be gracious to those who have in the past not been gracious in regard to our “legitimate aspirations”.

3) Show genuine Christian joy. If you want to attract people to what gives you so much consolation and happiness, be inviting and be joyful. Avoid the sourness some of the more traditional stamp have sadly worn for so long.

4) Be engaged in the whole life of your parishes, especially in works of mercy organized by the same. If you want the whole Church to benefit from the use of the older liturgy, then you who are shaped by the older form of Mass should be of benefit to the whole Church in concrete terms.

5) If the document doesn’t say everything we might hope for, don’t beesh about it like a whiner. Speak less of our rights and what we deserve, or what it ought to have been, as if we were our own little popes, and more about our gratitude, gratitude, gratitude for what God gives us.

[url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/"]http://wdtprs.com/blog/[/url][/quote]

[KnightofChrist]

This will change the Church as we know it today, and there is more to come. [u]Many faithful[/u], young and old loyal to Mother Church [u]cares deeply[/u] about Motu Proprio. Something this important should be a concern for all the faithful.

[quote]Immediately after the Second Vatican Council it was presumed that requests for the use of the 1962 Missal would be limited to the older generation which had grown up with it, but in the meantime it has clearly been demonstrated that young persons too have discovered this liturgical form, felt its attraction and found in it a form of encounter with the Mystery of the Most Holy Eucharist, particularly suited to them.[/quote]

Edited July 8, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[Apotheoun]

Hsmom,

My apologies, the truth is often offensive.

It is sad that when I cannot attend a Byzantine Catholic liturgy on a Sunday, that I have to go to an Eastern Orthodox Church rather than attend a Latin parish that is near my house.

God bless,
Todd

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1317220' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:08 PM']Hsmom,

My apologies, the truth is often offensive.

God bless,
Todd[/quote]
Depends on whether your perception of "truth" is actually an accurate representation of the state of the liturgy overall.

And frankly, if such accusations are going to be levied, I'd like to see something that's not almost 5 years old. Isn't there a statute of limitations here?

[KnightofChrist]

The abuses are many, this is why the Holy Father has written this Motu Proprio, and why many other reforms from him will come. Let us pray he is successful against these abuses which only come from Satan! Thanks be to God for the Motu Proprio, and His Holiness Pope Benedict The Great.

Edited July 8, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[homeschoolmom]

But the topic is: is anyone else tired of hearing about it? There are at least six threads in OM alone on the topic. And frankly, I don't think there will be as much change in the US as many think.