Apotheoun Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1317223' date='Jul 7 2007, 07:11 PM']Depends on whether your perception of "truth" is actually an accurate representation of the state of the liturgy overall. And frankly, if such accusations are going to be levied, I'd like to see something that's not almost 5 years old. Isn't there a statute of limitations here?[/quote] I gave a weblink to the parish, and so you can peruse the homilies in support of women's ordination and other unorthodox issues promoted at that Church. Sadly, Fr. Joyce remains in good standing with the diocese even though he says that adultery is not a sin, and was himself involved a more than 20 year affair with a married woman. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1317227' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:17 PM']But the topic is: is anyone else tired of hearing about it? There are at least six threads in OM alone on the topic. And frankly, I don't think there will be as much change in the US as many think.[/quote] If you're tired of hearing about it, why keep posting about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1317227' date='Jul 7 2007, 07:17 PM']But the topic is: is anyone else tired of hearing about it? There are at least six threads in OM alone on the topic. And frankly, I don't think there will be as much change in the US as many think.[/quote] Close some of the threads then. BTW, I do agree with you that there will not be much of a change in the Roman Church in the USA, at least not for a long while, because very few priests know how to celebrate Mass according to the older Missal. God bless, and may St. Anthony of the Kiev Caves pray for you and your family, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) Well there no doubt will be, it has not been a day as of yet. Change will come in time. There so many threads on this topic because so many are happy, this is a day joy!!! If we have nothing nice to say about the good works of His Holiness why say anything at all, if someone does care about it, gotta say seems like a slight attack against our good Pope. Please dont bring rain to the parade. Edited July 8, 2007 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Did I say I was? The OP is... he probably noticed the many threads on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1317228' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:17 PM']I gave a weblink to the parish, and so you can peruse the homilies in support of women's ordination and other unorthodox issues promoted at that Church. Sadly, Fr. Joyce remains in good standing with the diocese even though he says that adultery is not a sin, and was himself involved a more than 20 year affair with a married woman. God bless, Todd[/quote] Look, I do not think PM is the place to defame a priest, even if it is true. He is a still a priest and if it is not true we will have slandered him. If it is true, we are promoting a scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Well, I feel sorry for anyone who is already tired of hearing about this document, since the document was only just released and so they will have to live with it for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1317237' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:22 PM']Did I say I was? The OP is... he probably noticed the many threads on the topic.[/quote] Apologizes yet that was not clear from post #45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 My goodness people, it just got released thats why theres so many threads...its should be *expected* on a Catholic forum and shouldn't be made to look into something of a nuisance for us. It is a very big deal regardless of what we think! [b]And I would take this kind of coverage on church matters than over Paris Hilton and silly stuff anyday! [/b] Personally, I for one am *Not* tired of it and it *will* effect me as my priest is now adding an additional mass! However, I hope this will allow all of us to take the time to give this mass its proper acknowledge even if we do not get it just yet (I know I don't fully understand it yet but I look forward to trying). I think it is just too new to us to truly understand its impact but it *will* have one I am sure! : Lets not jump the gun too early now I myself expect to give myself plenty of time to truly embrace it and be able to experience it fully now that with the MP from Our Holy Father is here and encourage others to do the same in whatever way they choose they would like too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1317239' date='Jul 7 2007, 07:23 PM']Look, I do not think PM is the place to defame a priest, even if it is true. He is a still a priest and if it is not true we will have slandered him. If it is true, we are promoting a scandal.[/quote] I have not said anything that was not reported in the Contra Costa Times, and verified as true by the priest involved in the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1317239' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:23 PM']Look, I do not think PM is the place to defame a priest, even if it is true. He is a still a priest and if it is not true we will have slandered him. If it is true, we are promoting a scandal.[/quote] Rather if true, when evil spoken it should always be countered by truth, with all respect to his office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1317253' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:27 PM']My goodness, it just got released thats why theres so many threads...its expected on a Catholic forum and shouldn't be made to look into something of a nuisance for us. It is a very big deal regardless of what we think! [b]And I would take this kind of coverage on church matters than over Paris Hilton and silly stuff anyday! [/b] [/quote] Amen to that! : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1317260' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:29 PM']Rather if true, when evil spoken it should always be countered by truth, with all respect to his office.[/quote] I just think it is totally inappropriate that was brought up and totally off topic. I did not sense very much respect for the priest, though. Perhaps I am wrong, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Lets try to stay on topic which is about the MP and ironically, whether you are excited about it or not. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tojo Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1317197' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:52 PM']It may not be common where you are from, but it is quite common in Roman Church's in the Bay Area. These kinds of things are fairly common at parishes in the SF Bay Area. I am concerned about things like this -- even though I am a Byzantine Catholic -- because the terrible liturgical situation in the Roman Church will no doubt eventually be manifested in my own Church. The use of so-called [i]inclusive language[/i] has already made in-roads into the Ruthenian Church.[/quote] Does this parish celebrate mass with those especially gross abuses every Halloween? Are a many other parishes accustommed to doing so also? Even in that particular region if not more widely? In other words, can abuses of such an extreme nature be called common? I sincerely hope not. While certainly abuses happen in my region, I am not aware of such extreme abuses occuring, especially not often. If I am truly mistaken, or if my region is atypically relatively free of gross abuses, then my statement about the frequency of such occurences does not stand, my mistake. [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1317228' date='Jul 7 2007, 09:17 PM']I gave a weblink to the parish, and so you can peruse the homilies in support of women's ordination and other unorthodox issues promoted at that Church. Sadly, Fr. Joyce remains in good standing with the diocese even though he says that adultery is not a sin, and was himself involved a more than 20 year affair with a married woman. God bless, Todd[/quote] If these things are true, I think it is easily demonstrated that this Fr. Joyce is not the sort of Catholic I described in my earlier post in this thread. Once again, in my opinion, this typifies a problem in poor-catechesis (and seminary training), as well as just generallyheretical views. This sort of thing is generally not a problem is Latin Mass communities precisely because it is (a subset of) the well catechized, devout, and orthodox who are primarily drawn to the TLM. In (non-Latin Mass) communities where there is a a substantial presence of well-catechized, devout, orthodox Catholics, these gross abuses are unheard of, and lesser abuses much less common. Edited July 8, 2007 by tomasio127 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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