For Catholics Who Think Satan Is Now Bound

[Budge]

[b]Amillenialism teaches that Satan is bound...

Satan isnt bound yet...

In fact the bounding of Satan happens in Revelation 20, the second coming in Christ in Revelation 19...how do you explain that...???[/b]

[quote]FROM REV 19:

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.[/quote]


[quote]FROM REV 20:

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

[b]2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,[/b]

3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.[/quote]

Better rethink some of the amillenialism...

[adt6247]

[quote name='Budge' post='1347134' date='Aug 2 2007, 11:44 AM'][b]Amillenialism teaches that Satan is bound...

Satan isnt bound yet...

In fact the bounding of Satan happens in Revelation 20, the second coming in Christ in Revelation 19...how do you explain that...???[/b]
Better rethink some of the amillenialism...[/quote]
The book of revelation details what happened in the beginning, what happened on the cross, what is happening now, and what will happen at the end of time. God exists outside of time. Satan will not be [b]completely[/b] bound until the apocalypse, but he isn't given full reign over death. Christ set up His church, and the powers of hell will not prevail against it. In the end, Satan will have zero influence on anything outside of Hell, as all souls will be in Hell or in Heaven -- Earth will cease to be.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

We have exorcists for a reason, Budge.

[Slappo]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1347268' date='Aug 2 2007, 10:04 AM']We have exorcists for a reason, Budge.[/quote]

Too true! And might I add, praised be Jesus Christ for giving the strength to His priests to cast out demons!

[Groo the Wanderer]

Budgie is back! Let the games begin! Huzzah!!


Lemme ask you Budge...why the heck do you still think the Bible is written and arranged in chronological order? I guess, based on your line of thought that there is a mirror Earth floating around somewhere that began with a different Adam and Eve? After all Genesis 1 tells the story of creation, then Genesis 2 tells it again, but a tad bit differently....must be two Earths/Adams/Eves....

[ironmonk]

Budge,

Please show me a real Catholic site that says what you claim.

No real Catholic thinks that Satan is bound.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[saint_wannabe]

we do?

btw Budge, whats your avatar supposed to signify? it has the ten commandments crossed out and 9? just wondering

[T-Bone _]

It's a (not so) subtle jab at the Church's numbering of the Ten Commandments. She thinks that the first should be split into two, and women should be listed as property.

[Ora et Labora]

property...?...?...?

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Ora et Labora' post='1351339' date='Aug 6 2007, 02:57 PM']property...?...?...?

[/quote]

Yes...Budge's rendition of the numbering combines #9 and #10. Making women the equivalent of property.

[kateri05]

you mean my husband doesn't own me, along with his cattle and goats?

[Dismas]

Satan is a dog on a leash.

[White Knight]

The Book of Revelation is divided into three groups.

"Past, Present, and Future."

Some of the events in the book have already happened, some are happening now, others are what will happen in the future.

Satan is defeated... period. and he will be bound coming after the Great Judgement, however its not here yet obviously so hes not bound "yet."


Like my predacessors have already claimed in the posts above me, No Real Catholic believes Satan is bound now, and this is why we have exorcists for a reason to fight against him. I must admit you're tactics are getting a bit old and repetitive. Your outragous claims will get you no where Budge.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='kateri05' post='1351500' date='Aug 6 2007, 07:20 PM']you mean my husband doesn't own me, along with his cattle and goats? [/quote]
Well, he does, but we don't like to say it "officially." :

jk

[Seven77]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1353720' date='Aug 9 2007, 07:55 AM']Well, he does, but we don't like to say it "officially." :

jk[/quote]

lol

[Pontifex]

I am so glad this thread is here right now.

I have a good friend, very faithful to the Church and a fellow son of St. Pio, who is involved with a theological idea that bothers me. I had only picked up on it subtly and then we had a full blown conversation about it.

Through a Marian apparition site in Illinois, he has come to believe that Satan is bound and no longer on Earth. We only feel the effects of his influence. He has gone so far as to change the St. Michael prayer to fit this idea. Something to the effect of: "Be our protection from ourselves...." ????

It has really strained our friendship, because I speak the truth and challenge even if a person is orthodox. satan, unfortunately, is roaming the Earth seeking someone to devour. The Church came out with a new rite of excorcism for a reason.

It breaks my heart to see the ways in which really solid people get pushed off base with subtle, angel of light type deceptions. Stay away from this one my dear children. If satan can convince us that he isn't here, it could be compared to a war enemy that says we're leaving and yet they stay, dig in and make havoc.


St. Michael pray for us!!!!!!!


Fr. P

[curtins]

Fr. Pontifex good to see you back!

I think you made an excellent point: The biggest goal of Satan is for him to convince us that he doesn't exist, that theres no such thing as evil, that theres no such thing as sin. When that happens, we lose our sense of sin and can easily fall into it. That is the point of relativism, that there is no right and wrong, everything is what you make it to be. There is no objective truth. When Satan convinces us that he is not here, not powerful, or not scheming, that opens the door for him to run our lives.

[frozencell]

Sort of on the subject (mostly)...

I am reading this book that is really good. It's called "An Exorcist Tells His Story" by Gabriele Amorth. It talks about the proceedings and "levels" of exorcisms and stuff. It has a few chapters at the very beginnning that talk about what the Bible says about the power that is given to Satan to lead people away from God and exactly where him and his demons occupy until the retunr of Christ. (Apparently, an understanding of this is essential to exorcisms...) I encourage you guys to check it out, especially Budge, as it may shed some light on what the Catholic viewpoint is on this matter.

[frozencell]

And COMPLETELY off-topic, Fr Pontifex...

Just wanted to say that I've been trying to get more into the Catholic studies and all, but have been having a hard time with it, motivation-wise. I threw on the Massmatics CD and was listening to "The Son Still Shines" and it really did just give me that boost I needed to crack a book and log onto PhatMass....God bless you...

[Winchester]

Bump.

Wasn't aware amillenialism was a doctrine.

Irrelevant, much? We don't really know, because there's no reply