For Catholics Who Think Satan Is Now Bound

[Budge]

[quote]Through a Marian apparition site in Illinois, he has come to believe that Satan is bound and no longer on Earth. We only feel the effects of his influence. He has gone so far as to change the St. Michael prayer to fit this idea. Something to the effect of: "Be our protection from ourselves...." ????

It has really strained our friendship, because I speak the truth and challenge even if a person is orthodox. satan, unfortunately, is roaming the Earth seeking someone to devour. The Church came out with a new rite of excorcism for a reason.

It breaks my heart to see the ways in which really solid people get pushed off base with subtle, angel of light type deceptions. Stay away from this one my dear children. If satan can convince us that he isn't here, it could be compared to a war enemy that says we're leaving and yet they stay, dig in and make havoc.[/quote]


Im glad you realize the error of your friend.

However given the amillenial and PRETERIST positions of many Catholics...{Preterism does teach that Satan is NOW BOUND, though they allegorize it to an extent meaning Jesus has power over Satan--of course that is true, but they also allegorize the rest of Revelation somehow claiming that the millenial kingdom is now}

What is your take on that?

Do you believe we are in the millenial kingdom now?

[Winchester]

Perhaps you could show us the doctrine of amillenialism?

[Budge]

Im not here to play paperwork games with you Winchester.

WHo cares if its a doctrine or not? The Catholic Church claims to believe in the first comamndment "officially" too even though Nostra Atate is a total contradiction.

This is just your way to throw a good question off track.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Budge' post='1373656' date='Aug 29 2007, 02:13 PM']Im not here to play paperwork games with you Winchester.

WHo cares if its a doctrine or not? The Catholic Church claims to believe in the first comamndment "officially" too even though Nostra Atate is a total contradiction.

This is just your way to throw a good question off track.[/quote]

So you don't care what people believe, just so long as you can hate and post slander about them?...check.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Budge' post='1373656' date='Aug 29 2007, 04:13 PM']Im not here to play paperwork games with you Winchester.

WHo cares if its a doctrine or not? The Catholic Church claims to believe in the first comamndment "officially" too even though Nostra Atate is a total contradiction.

This is just your way to throw a good question off track.[/quote]
You can either prove your assertion or you can't. If you can't, you lose.

The reason one cares if it's a doctrine or not is the same reason one cares about any doctrine. You yourself have doctrines, which you claim are all to be found in the Bible. When you prove to an unbeliever that the Bible teaches this or that, you are proving it's doctrinal.

This is not a paperwork game, it's a request for the proof of your claim. Further, you'll have to explain what is meant by Satan being bound. Since temptation still exists within the world, since we Catholics believe possessions still occur, it cannot mean that Satan is kept from having any effect on this world.

[Budge]

I asked that poster a sincere question.

Does he believe we are in the millenial kingdom now?

Do you two believe we are in the mellenial kingdom now?

By the way Ive met pre-trib Catholics, some Bible Prophecy does fiddler out to Catholics, I was reading [i]Left Behind [/i]{no I do not defend everything in those books} while I was still in the Catholic church.

[Budge]

[quote]Since temptation still exists within the world, since we Catholics believe possessions still occur, it cannot mean that Satan is kept from having any effect on this world.[/quote]

When God bounds Satan, I do not see Satan being able to still have an "effect" on the world.

Of course Satan's final destination is the lake of fire.

[Starets]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1373744' date='Aug 29 2007, 07:02 PM']This is not a paperwork game, it's a request for the proof of your claim. Further, you'll have to explain what is meant by Satan being bound. Since temptation still exists within the world, since we Catholics believe possessions still occur, it cannot mean that Satan is kept from having any effect on this world.[/quote]

She's not good at proving assertions, from what I've noticed. I've asked her to prove a few assertions myself and that tends to end her threads. For example her one a few weeks ago about how marian apparitions contradict the Bible. I don't think that's the only time she's been asked to "put up or shut up"

[Akalyte]

Budge, the book of revelation is not a panoramic view of the future. No one knows the time or what is to come. That's in "the word of God". The book of revelation is the story of the early church, its birth, tribulations and Christ's perennial triumph over Satan and death. You and your people are doing a great amount of damage to Christianity with your personal interpretations of the scriptures which you ignorantly and unstably twist and misinterpret to your own destruction. You may be confident that your right but you better take a closer look.

Edited August 29, 2007 by Akalyte

[Budge]

ACtually Ive dealt with that subject multiple times. {just not here}

So here you go..

[url="http://p094.ezboard.com/fcatholicreformationfrm12.showMessage?topicID=102.topic"]MARY OF FATIMA CONTRADICTED WORDS OF JESUS: look at last post[/url]

[url="http://p094.ezboard.com/fcatholicreformationfrm22.showMessage?topicID=9791.topic"]FATIMA LIE AND BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD[/url]

[url="http://p094.ezboard.com/Sun-Worship-At-Fatima-God-Hates-Worship-of-the-SUn/fcatholicreformationfrm6.showMessage?topicID=67.topic"]SUN WORSHIP AT FATIMA[/url]

{mods please leave up because reposting all these here would be too difficult}

[Akalyte]

How about not taking these things out of context? It will take more studying and a better understanding of the scriptures. Humble yourself woman. chill out.

[Budge]

[quote]Budge, the book of revelation is not a panoramic view of the future.[/quote]

Honestly why not?

You mean every tear is not going to be dried?

you mean Jesus isnt really going to come back? {except allegorically or maybe you believe the Eucharist is His "second coming--Ive read that one before}

You mean this old world is going to continue the same way it always has?

No antichrist is going to show up? {the Catholic catechism warns about the antichrist}

Please be sure youre not falling into this error...

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Pe 3:4 [b]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.[/b]

I got a question for you, youve read enough of the Bible to see the prophecies concerning Jesus in the OT right?

The parts that even pinpoint where he would be born, on a colt, etc...theres around 300 of them.

So if those REALLY HAPPENED FOR REAL?

why wouldnt Revelation? There may be figurative language but it decribes REAL EVENTS.

[Starets]

Jesus is God, Budge. I see no contradiction.

[Budge]

???

Jesus is God

I believe that, so what is your question?

[Socrates]

[quote name='Budge' post='1373656' date='Aug 29 2007, 03:13 PM']WHo cares if its a doctrine or not?[/quote]
That pretty much sums it up, folks.

Who cares what the Catholic Church really teaches?

That [b]Budge says [/b]the Catholic Church is evil is all that matters.

Edited August 30, 2007 by Socrates

[Akalyte]

[quote name='Budge' post='1373764' date='Aug 29 2007, 07:37 PM']Honestly why not?

You mean every tear is not going to be dried?

you mean Jesus isnt really going to come back? {except allegorically or maybe you believe the Eucharist is His "second coming--Ive read that one before}

You mean this old world is going to continue the same way it always has?

No antichrist is going to show up? {the Catholic catechism warns about the antichrist}

Please be sure youre not falling into this error...

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Pe 3:4 [b]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.[/b]

I got a question for you, youve read enough of the Bible to see the prophecies concerning Jesus in the OT right?

The parts that even pinpoint where he would be born, on a colt, etc...theres around 300 of them.

So if those REALLY HAPPENED FOR REAL?

why wouldnt Revelation? There may be figurative language but it decribes REAL EVENTS.[/quote]


That's not what we are saying budge, that's what you want us to be saying. It's not. There are prophecies in the book of revelation, we know that. But the book of revelation is not completely prophetic! John was also writing about the things going on at the time, its also Jewish Apocalyptic literature. It is a revealing of something and that something is not completely future events for anyone to interpret, its the revealing of our LORD Jesus Christ. "Behold I'm coming soon" Amen LORD Jesus come, he came as soon as Mass was said.

[Mateo el Feo]

Frankly, all the pre-millenial, post-millenial, amillenial, pre-trib, post-trib, baby back tribs...it's all hog-wash. I'd sooner study all there is about cockroach husbandry before I fill my brain with this stuff.

Edited August 30, 2007 by Mateo el Feo

[Socrates]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1373877' date='Aug 29 2007, 09:02 PM']Frankly, all the pre-millenial, post-millenial, amillenial, pre-trib, post-trib, baby back tribs...it's all hog-wash. I'd sooner study all there is about cockroach husbandry before I fill my brain with this stuff.[/quote]
But baby back tribs are yummy!

[Budge]

[quote]Frankly, all the pre-millenial, post-millenial, amillenial, pre-trib, post-trib, baby back tribs...it's all hog-wash. I'd sooner study all there is about cockroach husbandry before I fill my brain with this stuff.[/quote]



You dont like God's Word and hate Bible Prophecy THAT MUCH?

[desertwoman]

[quote name='Budge' post='1373892' date='Aug 29 2007, 11:27 PM']

You dont like God's Word and hate Bible Prophecy THAT MUCH?[/quote]


I think he is trying to say... I may be wrong... is that he will live for the Lord regardless of what may come. That he will persevere to the end to hear God say well done my servant.

Personally I believe in post rather than pre for the church is to undergo trials and tribulations. I just can't grasp Amil, preterits theology.