The Creators Ultimate Plan/mystery For Gays!

[tate4242]

Shalom:

I have seldom read even one Near Death Experience that did not have me amazed....temporarily perplexed...astounded...or profoundly moved...at least for a little while.

One of the most profoundly troubling nde's is that of Mr. Christian Andreason.

It has taken me months to sort my way intellectually through this one but finally after being reminded of intriguing and relevant statements in "The Book of Adam and Eve"...I think that I can finally offer a possible theory on the ultimate plan/mystery...that YHWH has for homosexual people!

Or at least I will try anyway!

Here is the link into Mr. Andreason's near death experience:

[url="http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html"]http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html[/url]

[quote][size=4]If this world was to ever find out just a small amount of what sexually diverse (gay) people are here to do on this planet, there would never be one single wisecrack or hurtful remark made ever again. Instead there would be great respect! People who speak disrespectful things about people of this orientation ... enact judgment, and do so from a place of unenlightenment, insecurity, ego and socially induced prejudice. Some may use mistranslated scriptures taught to them, not by the Holy Spirit ... but by fear-filled human beings. Many will choose to sustain a Divinely unsupported satanic hate-based rage against these children of God, rather than using Love to bring understanding and healing between both peoples. Christ said, THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER! When people sling condemnation, judgment and bitterness at others, they are not practicing the great commandment. They are allowing their Souls to fall into darkness.

What were you told or shown about this issue?

When I got to Heaven, one of the first things I asked was about the very issue of bisexuality, as it had caused me a great deal of concern my whole life. My lady guide walked me to a room that had a large screen in it. On the screen, I saw[/size][/quote]

See if anybody can tell me how this writing may be somewhat explained by certain statements in "The Book of Adam and Eve"

[url="http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/adameve/adamevetoc.html"]http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/ad...adamevetoc.html[/url]

...actually the most applicable statements may have been in the Second Book of Adam and Eve...I forget!?!?

[tate4242]

hint...yes...that would be chapter 72...or thereabouts:
[quote]Chapter LXXII - Adam's heart is set on fire. Satan appears as beautiful maidens.[/quote]LXXII...72??

[cmotherofpirl]

The so-called "book of adam and eve " is a series of fables written about 100 years BC. They are in no way scripture.

[Budge]

Hasnt anyone here warned you yet that NDE's are of the occult?

Even some Catholics are aware of this.

I hate to see you stay in this error.

While pagan UU, I believed they were something good too, they are NOT.

I have a relative who could be in hell right now to my horror because they had an NDE, and they told me they had no worries about whether they would be going to heaven or not and what people believed didnt matter.

[url="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Yym6TStlm7AJ:www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/theological-dictionary/TD4W1004.pdf+NDE+and+occult&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a"]PLEASE READ THIS FOR YOUR OWN SAKE![/url]

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Budge' post='1381101' date='Sep 8 2007, 02:16 PM']Hasnt anyone here warned you yet that NDE's are of the occult?

Even some Catholics are aware of this.

I hate to see you stay in this error.

While pagan UU, I believed they were something good too, they are NOT.

I have a relative who could be in hell right now to my horror because they had an NDE, and they told me they had no worries about whether they would be going to heaven or not and what people believed didnt matter.

[url="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Yym6TStlm7AJ:www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/theological-dictionary/TD4W1004.pdf+NDE+and+occult&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a"]PLEASE READ THIS FOR YOUR OWN SAKE![/url][/quote]

Was there any post (by a Catholic) here that supported near death experiences?

Your irrational hate is showing again.

[Socrates]

[quote name='tate4242' post='1380691' date='Sep 7 2007, 06:42 PM']Shalom:

I have seldom read even one Near Death Experience that did not have me amazed....temporarily perplexed...astounded...or profoundly moved...at least for a little while.

One of the most profoundly troubling nde's is that of Mr. Christian Andreason.

It has taken me months to sort my way intellectually through this one but finally after being reminded of intriguing and relevant statements in "The Book of Adam and Eve"...I think that I can finally offer a possible theory on the ultimate plan/mystery...that YHWH has for homosexual people!

Or at least I will try anyway!

Here is the link into Mr. Andreason's near death experience:

[url="http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html"]http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html[/url]
See if anybody can tell me how this writing may be somewhat explained by certain statements in "The Book of Adam and Eve"

[url="http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/adameve/adamevetoc.html"]http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/ad...adamevetoc.html[/url]

...actually the most applicable statements may have been in the Second Book of Adam and Eve...I forget!?!?[/quote]
That was really gay.

[dairygirl4u2c]

i agree it was a pretty gay post.

but with that said. as a supporter of the NDE experience i have to defend it. i think the bible can be interpreted in many ways. it's not clearly unbiblical, the experiences, overall. and i challenge anyone to show otherwise. so, if there's room for interpretation, it seems you should err towards making the bible reconciled with the NDE experiences. people who say it's unbiblical etc, are just fundamentalists (not to the bible but to status quo christiaity) who would rather not face reality. these are real experiences. these people would rather let fear and their prejudices continue to suppress themselves, other people, and the truth.

[Dismas]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1381941' date='Sep 9 2007, 04:59 PM']i agree it was a pretty gay post.

but with that said. as a supporter of the NDE experience i have to defend it. i think the bible can be interpreted in many ways. it's not clearly unbiblical, the experiences, overall. and i challenge anyone to show otherwise. so, if there's room for interpretation, it seems you should err towards making the bible reconciled with the NDE experiences. people who say it's unbiblical etc, are just fundamentalists (not to the bible but to status quo christiaity) who would rather not face reality. these are real experiences. these people would rather let fear and their prejudices continue to suppress themselves, other people, and the truth.[/quote]

Even for one who supports NDE, however, have you considered the cases when one DOESN'T have an experience, but nearly died nonetheless?

There are people out there who will produce false testimony for something they believe very deeply in. These "pious frauds" have abounded throughout history.

Now suppose that a believer in the Cult of Freudianism (One of the three great cults of the modern age) actually believes that the world begins and ends with his genitalia nearly dies. Statistically, this is bound to happen. Now suppose that this person just saw a tunnel, a light and then came to. That's pretty boring, especially when his friends ask what it's like. I'm sure you can figure out what happens next.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

Hmm. People who nearly die are probably not in the best neurological or psychological state imaginable. Sometimes when you are very sick or very frightened you suffer from hallucinations. When I was a little girl I got seriously ill with pneumonia, and it made me think that I could see dragons on the ceiling. They were terrifyingly real. I could speak to them and they could speak to me, although our 'conversations' didn't make much sense.

Looking back, I know that there weren't really any dragons there. My high fever was causing my brain to convert the whirling of the ceiling fan into the thrashing of a dragon's tail. But it felt real at the time, and continued to feel real until I grew old enough to understand that even if dragons existed, they would have a hard time fitting into a hospital ward. I think near-death experiences may be like this. I have sympathy for people who have them, though - it's unnerving when you start seeing things that aren't there.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='tate4242' post='1380691' date='Sep 7 2007, 08:42 PM']Shalom:

I have seldom read even one Near Death Experience that did not have me amazed....temporarily perplexed...astounded...or profoundly moved...at least for a little while.

One of the most profoundly troubling nde's is that of Mr. Christian Andreason.

It has taken me months to sort my way intellectually through this one but finally after being reminded of intriguing and relevant statements in "The Book of Adam and Eve"...I think that I can finally offer a possible theory on the ultimate plan/mystery...that YHWH has for homosexual people!

Or at least I will try anyway!

Here is the link into Mr. Andreason's near death experience:

[url="http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html"]http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html[/url]
See if anybody can tell me how this writing may be somewhat explained by certain statements in "The Book of Adam and Eve"

[url="http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/adameve/adamevetoc.html"]http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/ad...adamevetoc.html[/url]

...actually the most applicable statements may have been in the Second Book of Adam and Eve...I forget!?!?[/quote]


Near death experiences could be nothing more than a dream... God has a plan for everyone... some maybe to show His mercy... some maybe for destruction... we do not and cannot know what God's plans are... all we can do is do what God wants and worship Him the way He wants and instructs us to through His Church, the Church of the Living God... aka the Catholic Church (1 Tim 3:15). To know better what God wants, study the Holy writings of the Saints of the Catholic Church. The Catechism, and the most well know Catholic book: The Holy Bible.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[Winchester]

[quote name='Budge' post='1381101' date='Sep 8 2007, 04:16 PM']Even some Catholics are aware of this.[/quote]
I've never been polled on this. Is it merely a "scientific" survey? Where do you get the book that gives you all these stats? It sounds so handy!

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote name='Dismas' post='1381956' date='Sep 9 2007, 05:44 PM']Even for one who supports NDE, however, have you considered the cases when one DOESN'T have an experience, but nearly died nonetheless?

There are people out there who will produce false testimony for something they believe very deeply in. These "pious frauds" have abounded throughout history.

Now suppose that a believer in the Cult of Freudianism (One of the three great cults of the modern age) actually believes that the world begins and ends with his genitalia nearly dies. Statistically, this is bound to happen. Now suppose that this person just saw a tunnel, a light and then came to. That's pretty boring, especially when his friends ask what it's like. I'm sure you can figure out what happens next.[/quote]

one thing i should have conceded. many of the experiences do appear to be overly elaborate, ie hoaxes. but most do not. nderf.org
the two points usually bickered about. first, whether hell is forever or if it exists. there's two strands in the NDEs about this. if you look at near-death.com you will see that you reap what you sow etc. if you live hellishly you reap hellishly. even if you are faith alone person, you have to concede you reap what you sow even if you are saved. the problem, is that many say there is no hell. these people could be the minority, i'd say, so not as much value is put to them. plus, what is hell anyway when you have degrees of light and dark? it's hard to say that's hell and that is not. people tend to get stuck in either or mentality and it's just not the way it works, even by tehir own standardes (you get rewarded for yoru works etc)
the other problems is the need for jesus. i'd say jesus is needed, as shown by one strand of experiences where jesus saves and they talk about him etc. but the other strand seesm to say he's not needed. now, the distinctino comes here: he's not needed for those who don't know better and for hte righteous per se (jesus said he didn't come to call the righteous but the unrighteous) but he is needed to those who know of him and their need for him, ie those who know better. we all need him and cannot deny him. i wouldn't get hung up when a few NDEers can't make the distinction between not needing him necessarily and not needing him at all, when they are not theologians and are caught up in the experience of God.

[prose]

Just so that it is clear, the NDE experience that is being advertised () here is directly against Church's teachings.

[quote]In Heaven, I undeniably saw that I had lived an innumerable amount of lives.[/quote]

[quote]In the end ... believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home! Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE. When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher Realms of Heaven. If we do not practice Love, we can only go so far and we will be made to incarnate somewhere out there in God's super Universe again and again (unlimited times) until we learn.[/quote]

Edited September 10, 2007 by prose

[dairygirl4u2c]

this particular NDE seems suspicious. i don't dismiss it bc it's agaisnt the CC but it does seem suspicious. too elaborate. too all telling know it all. etc

plus you have to get scholarly to tell whether something is even a contradiction necessarily or not... definition of infallible statement etc. may not be even if ya think at first it is a contradiction.
but with that said, and given what i know about the CC, i'd probably believe experiences that contradicted the CC over the CC.

Edited September 10, 2007 by dairygirl4u2c

[jeffpugh]

Eww. Sounds like Sylvia Browne junk, prose.

[prose]

Again, I would love to have a pukey smilie....

[img]http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/puke3.gif[/img]

Edited September 11, 2007 by prose

[tate4242]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1380732' date='Sep 7 2007, 08:07 PM']The so-called "book of adam and eve " is a series of fables written about 100 years BC. They are in no way scripture.[/quote]

Greetings CMotherOfPirl:

You could be correct...The Book of Adam and Eve might not be scripture....maybe it was not inspired by the Ruach ha Kodesh/Holy Spirit...but it is an ancient writing that probably fitted quite well with at least some of the many oral traditions that were passed down to that time period. This book is at the least a glimpse of what some theologians may have been thinking about in the century previous to the birth of Yahushua/Jesus.

At the absolute minimum this book is fascinating and if we are serious about discovering the mysteries of YHWH that are predicted to be revealed in our time period then this book should be far higher up on our To Read List than the most recent....or any of the Harry Potter series!

[tate4242]

[url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm[/url][quote name='Budge' post='1381101' date='Sep 8 2007, 03:16 PM']Hasnt anyone here warned you yet that NDE's are of the occult?

Even some Catholics are aware of this.

I hate to see you stay in this error.

While pagan UU, I believed they were something good too, they are NOT.

I have a relative who could be in hell right now to my horror because they had an NDE, and they told me they had no worries about whether they would be going to heaven or not and what people believed didnt matter.

[url="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Yym6TStlm7AJ:www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/theological-dictionary/TD4W1004.pdf+NDE+and+occult&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a"]PLEASE READ THIS FOR YOUR OWN SAKE![/url][/quote]

Shalom Budge:

The link doesn't seem to work right now.

I admit that it is possible to make a convincing argument that the Being of Light that appears to people in the near death experience may sometimes be the Adversary who is said to be able to appear as an angel of light.
Personally, i am convinced that Yahushua/Jesus who was revealed to be none other than the Logos/Word is the person who often/usually meets people in their out of the body state. The Apostle Paul certainly does leave the door wide open to the possibility of having an out of the body experience...and visiting the Third Heaven...and hearing things not lawful to be uttered.

[url="http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr012.html#top"]http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr012.html#top[/url]

[quote]I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, [b](whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)[/b] such an one caught up to the third heaven.
And I knew such a man, ([b]whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth[/b]
How that[b] he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter[/b].[/quote]


This verse in the Catholic Bible certainly indicates that in most cases it is The Creator who visits with people and asks them "What did you do with your life that you can show me?" Or something to that effect.


6 [quote]For my angel is with you: [b]And I myself will demand an account of your souls. [/b][/quote]

On the other hand I certainly cannot rule out the possibility of somebody meeting a fallen angel or Satan in the out of body state as well. When Yahushua/Jesus had fasted for forty days....he met Satan...and his description of seeing all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time certainly sound like something that could happen when out of the body.

Sir...keep an open mind....because in many of these near death experiences I do believe that it quite possible that aspects of the character and mentality of the Heavenly Father and Yahushua/Jesus are being revealed...perhaps for the first time ever.

Budge...what do you think about this visionary dream that was given to Mr. Rick Joyner back in 1995?
The Hordes of Hell are Marching:
[url="http://www.harvestnet.org/lookback/hordesofhell.htm"]http://www.harvestnet.org/lookback/hordesofhell.htm[/url][url="http://www.harvestnet.org/lookback/hordesofhell.htm"]http://www.harvestnet.org/lookback/hordesofhell.htm[/url]

[quote][size=3]Grace and Truth

I turned away from the door and retreated fast. There was a beautiful red stone nearby, which I almost lunged at to lay my hands on it. Immediately I was in the Garden of Gethsemane beholding the Lord in prayer. The agony I beheld was even more terrible than the door I had just seen. Shocked, I jerked my hand away from the stone and fell to the floor in exhaustion. I badly wanted to return to the blue or green stones, but I had to regather my energy and sense of direction. The angels were quickly all around me serving me. I was given a drink that began to revive me. Soon I was feeling well enough to stand and begin walking back to the other stones. However, the recurring vision of the Lord praying compelled me to stop.

"What was that back there?" I asked.

"When you touch the stones we are able to see a little of what you see, and feel a little of what you feel," said the angel. "We know that all of these stones are great treasures, and all of the revelations they contain are priceless. We beheld for a moment the agony of the Lord before His crucifixion, and we felt briefly what He felt that terrible night. It is hard for us to understand how are God could ever suffer like that. It makes us appreciate much more what an honor it is to serve you whom He did it for[/size]."[/quote]

Budge...do you believe that it is possible that in heaven we may be able to hold a stone that allows us to see, hear and feel...all that Yahushua/Jesus felt, heard and saw...as he was at Gethsemanie?

[tate4242]

[quote name='prose' post='1382559' date='Sep 10 2007, 11:38 AM']Just so that it is clear, the NDE experience that is being advertised () here is directly against Church's teachings.[/quote]


[quote]In Heaven, I undeniably saw that I had lived an innumerable amount of lives.[/quote]

Thank you for having an open mind and obviously reading this NDE.

On the other hand Yahushua/Jesus stated that John the Baptist was somehow Elijah!

[quote]The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: [b]in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. [/b][/quote](jeremiah 23:20)

I take this verse to mean that many many mysteries of plan of YHWH for humanity absolutely could not be understood clearly until the latter days.

Can one DVD contain episodes from five different situation comedies where completely and utterly different actors are acting?

Yes it certainly can.

Can we duplicate one specific half hour/22 minute segement from that DVD that is only "Everybody Loves RAymond?"

Again yes we can.

The fascinating Dr. Helen Wambach study of past life regression under hypnosis done on 1088 people where she regressed them in time 4000 years strongly indicates one of two major things.

Either there is an incredibly powerful fallen angel or group of angels or perhaps departed spirits who can give people powerful past life visions that stand up to statistical analysis.

Or.

The human spirit/soul can be used to record the identity, memories, personality of more than one person/individual from more than one time period....and if so...then the past life visions may actually turn out to be replicatable/verifiable evidence that strongly indicates nothing less than THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD!!!!

If evidence exists to strongly indicate that the personality/memories and identity of EVERYBODY has been recorded...then this recording must exist for a reason!

The Jurassic Park series has postulated a method by which the physical body of a long dead creature could perhaps be recreated in the not too distant future....What can be done for T-Rex can theoretically be done for humans as well.

But how in the world could the memories..the personality...or some person dead for decades or centuries be brought back?

I have read that as high as thirty percent of Catholic Cardinals believe in or at least have an open mind to the possibility of some form of reincarnation. Their argument was...What happens after purgatory??

In my opinion...if you find replicatable/verifiable evidence...even in pseudo science that may well offer a plausible explanation for the resurrection of the dead...don't casually throw this whole thing out without having a second...or third...or fourth look.

[quote]The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.[/quote](Zechariah 4:9)

Antiochus fulfilled this verse in the days of the Machabees...but does this prophecy in Daniel indicate that evil people can also be sent back to play a similar role at a later time period?

[quote]And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.[/quote]

What kind of strange ideas did the average Jew of the time of Jesus/Yahushua believe?

[quote]When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
[b]And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets[/b].[/quote]

[quote][size=4]And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind[/size]?[/quote] (John 9:2)

[b]Think about that one for a moment!!!!!!!!![/b]

What kind of strange ideas did the disciples of Yahushua/Jesus have after being with him and taught by him for so long?

[quote]And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:[/quote]

Exactly...Elijah died once...and in the resurrection he will be totally unique and separate from John the Baptist..John the Baptist died once....and probably had an experience somewhat like the typical NDE...except probably better.....and in the resurrection John the Baptist will be a totally unique and separate individual from Elijah...but for the moment...it is not impossible that YHWH could have came up with a plan to somehow RECORD the identity/personality/memories of more than one person/individual....on ONE human spirit/soul!

If we can put more than one TV program on one DVD...YHWH could theoretically do a lot more with the human spirit.

Now perhaps you are beginning how Paul or his friend may have heard things in the Third Heaven..not lawful to utter?!

[tate4242]

[quote name='ironmonk' post='1382170' date='Sep 9 2007, 09:12 PM']Near death experiences could be nothing more than a dream... God has a plan for everyone... some maybe to show His mercy... some maybe for destruction... we do not and cannot know what God's plans are... all we can do is do what God wants and worship Him the way He wants and instructs us to through His Church, the Church of the Living God... aka the Catholic Church (1 Tim 3:15). To know better what God wants, study the Holy writings of the Saints of the Catholic Church. The Catechism, and the most well know Catholic book: The Holy Bible.

God Bless,
ironmonk[/quote]

Shalom IronMonk:

I believe that The Apostle Paul in this verse is inspired by the Holy Spirit/Ruach ha Kodesh to define the church as every single person who has been given..and is being led by the Holy Spirit:

[quote]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. [b]Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his[/b].[/quote](Romans 8:9)

Pope John Paul II was also inspired by the same Ruach ha Kodesh/Holy Spirit to state that the historical Roman Catholic Church was a ring leader in two millennia of anti-Semitic activity. This admission of guilt paves the way for some powerful developments in the near future.

In the First Century Peter was sent to the Jews.....and Paul was sent to the Gentiles...sorry must go...