The Creators Ultimate Plan/mystery For Gays!

[prose]

[quote]Pope John Paul II was also inspired by the same Ruach ha Kodesh/Holy Spirit to state that the historical Roman Catholic Church was a ring leader in two millennia of anti-Semitic activity. This admission of guilt paves the way for some powerful developments in the near future.[/quote]

Woah!!! Proof?

He NEVER "admitted" that the Catholic Church was the ring leader of anything. Why? Because it wasn't.

What did he ACTUALLY say?

[quote]God of our fathers, you chose Abraham and his descendants to bring your name to the nations.

We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer.

And asking your forgiveness, we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the covenant.
Pope John Paul II's prayer at the Western Wall"[/quote]

[Socrates]

God cannot "reveal" things blatantly contradictory to what He has previously revealed.

Tate, kindly take your spamming elsewhere.

[tate4242]

[quote name='prose' post='1388741' date='Sep 19 2007, 03:29 PM']Woah!!! Proof?

He NEVER "admitted" that the Catholic Church was the ring leader of anything. Why? Because it wasn't.

What did he ACTUALLY say?[/quote]

I am truly relieved to find out that the Catholic Church was never a ring leader in anti-Semitism.

Martin Luther certainly was:

[url="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html"]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...er_on_Jews.html[/url]

[quote]What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:


[b]First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians[/b].[/quote]

We Canadians are also vastly more guilty in the holocaust that took place on the First Nations people here in Canada than we would like to imagine.

When the Portugese first came to Newfoundland they found many villages of natives people. They took about forty home as slaves but thankfully for them...they died of European diseases on the trip back to Europe.

In Newfoundland genocide was pursued on the native people by my English ancestors and distant cousins.

There are essentially ZERO surviving native people in Newfoundland. (I cannot absolutely rule out that a few metis might have made it through the Newfoundland holocaust).

A friend of mine once postulated that were it not for the presence of the French here in Nova Scotia that the same policy might have been pursued by the English here in my province. He said that the French settlers had already intermarried with the native tribes here...the English regarded the native people as phenomenal soldiers when given modern equipment...so the English decided to ally themselves with other tribal groups themselves so that they would not be overcame by a combined French and First Nations army.

The prophet Esdras stated that truth was the strongest power and that it would eventually conquer all in its path.

Are you seriously saying that the Roman Catholic Church was not extremely anti-Semitic?

I have read where some Messianic Jews stated that the Spanish Inquisition itself was began mostly because many Catholics of that time period were beginning to observe the Jewish Sabbaths somewhat. For about three centuries essentially all Catholics kept the Jewish Sabbaths and Holy Days. It is certainly obvious that the Apostle Peter, Paul and the other disciples of Yahushua/Jesus observed the Sabbath at least to a great degree...but not necessarily with the same extreme strictness of many Orthodox Jews.

[quote]And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; [b]and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment[/b].[/quote](Luke 23:56)

...personally...if I am incorrect and if Pope John Paul II did not admit that the Catholic Church was a leader in anti-Semitism...then I certainly do hope that Pope Benedict will do so...and make a far more powerful statement than the one you quote...

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='tate4242' post='1389117' date='Sep 20 2007, 02:21 PM']I am truly relieved to find out that the Catholic Church was never a ring leader in anti-Semitism.

Martin Luther certainly was:

[url="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html"]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...er_on_Jews.html[/url]
We Canadians are also vastly more guilty in the holocaust that took place on the First Nations people here in Canada than we would like to imagine.

When the Portugese first came to Newfoundland they found many villages of natives people. They took about forty home as slaves but thankfully for them...they died of European diseases on the trip back to Europe.

In Newfoundland genocide was pursued on the native people by my English ancestors and distant cousins.

There are essentially ZERO surviving native people in Newfoundland. (I cannot absolutely rule out that a few metis might have made it through the Newfoundland holocaust).

A friend of mine once postulated that were it not for the presence of the French here in Nova Scotia that the same policy might have been pursued by the English here in my province. He said that the French settlers had already intermarried with the native tribes here...the English regarded the native people as phenomenal soldiers when given modern equipment...so the English decided to ally themselves with other tribal groups themselves so that they would not be overcame by a combined French and First Nations army.

The prophet Esdras stated that truth was the strongest power and that it would eventually conquer all in its path.

Are you seriously saying that the Roman Catholic Church was not extremely anti-Semitic?

I have read where some Messianic Jews stated that the Spanish Inquisition itself was began mostly because many Catholics of that time period were beginning to observe the Jewish Sabbaths somewhat. For about three centuries essentially all Catholics kept the Jewish Sabbaths and Holy Days. It is certainly obvious that the Apostle Peter, Paul and the other disciples of Yahushua/Jesus observed the Sabbath at least to a great degree...but not necessarily with the same extreme strictness of many Orthodox Jews.

(Luke 23:56)

...personally...if I am incorrect and if Pope John Paul II did not admit that the Catholic Church was a leader in anti-Semitism...then I certainly do hope that Pope Benedict will do so...and make a far more powerful statement than the one you quote...[/quote]

The Church has never been a leader in anti-semitism. However some members of the church have committed this sin.What does this have to do with the topic?

[tate4242]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1381941' date='Sep 9 2007, 03:59 PM']i agree it was a pretty gay post.

but with that said. as a supporter of the NDE experience i have to defend it. i think the bible can be interpreted in many ways. it's not clearly unbiblical, the experiences, overall. and i challenge anyone to show otherwise. so, if there's room for interpretation, it seems you should err towards making the bible reconciled with the NDE experiences. people who say it's unbiblical etc, are just fundamentalists (not to the bible but to status quo christiaity) who would rather not face reality. these are real experiences. these people would rather let fear and their prejudices continue to suppress themselves, other people, and the truth.[/quote]

Sorry for the gayness of the post! If I actually were gay I would be praying for deliverance and healing because I firmly believe that just like all other sins being gay is a thought pattern that can be repented of and many cases exist of gays being healed and given heterosexual thought patterns.

I am not saying that being gay is not a form of sin in this post...I am agreeing that there is a profound purpose being worked out here on the earth that gays a playing a role in.

Here are some of the verses from the Book of Adam and Eve that I believe may help to make this unusual NDE understandable:

[url="http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/adameve/adameve9.html"]http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/ad...e/adameve9.html[/url]

[quote]Chapter LXXII

Adam's heart is set on fire. [size=4]Satan appears as beautiful maidens. [/size]

1 [b]Then Satan, and ten from his hosts, transformed themselves into maidens, unlike any others in the whole world for grace.[/b]

2 They came up out of the river in presence of Adam and Eve, and they said among themselves, "Come, we will look at the faces of Adam and Eve, who are of the men on earth. How beautiful they are, and how different is their look from our own faces." Then they came to Adam and Eve, and greeted them; and stood wondering at them.

3 Adam and Eve looked at them also, and wondered at their beauty, and said, "Is there, then, under us, another world, with such beautiful creatures as these in it?"

4 And those maidens said to Adam and Eve, "Yes, indeed, we are an abundant creation."

5 Then Adam said to them, "But how do you multiply?"

6 And they answered him, "We have husbands who have married us, and we bear them children, who grow up, and who in their turn marry and are married, and also bear children; and thus we increase. And if so be, O Adam, you will not believe us, we will show you our husbands and our children."[/quote]

[quote]13 [b]Meanwhile the fire of sin came over Adam[/b], and he thought of committing sin. But he restrained himself, fearing that if he followed this advice of Satan, God would put him to death.

14 Then Adam and Eve got up, and prayed to God, while Satan and his hosts went down into the river, in presence of Adam and Eve; to let them see that they were going back to their own world.

15 Then Adam and Eve went back to the Cave of Treasures, as they usually did; about evening time.

16 And they both got up and prayed to God that night. Adam remained standing in prayer, yet not knowing how to pray, by reason of the thoughts in his heart regarding his marrying Eve; and he continued so until morning.[/quote]

Something interesting about this is that Satan was willing to appear as a woman.

I can't find it just at this moment but in another part of this book The Word states that He would not do something like this...He would not appear as a woman!

Dante was inspired to entitle his visionary experience The Divine Comedy...and I firmly believe that COMEDY is a vastly more important aspect of what is going on this earth than we might imagine.

In the Book of Genesis we read that the fallen angels were called Sons of YHWH...Sons of God.

Yahushua/Jesus stated that we have not seen the Father at any time but it was the Son who we saw...The Apostle John reveals that it was The Word/The Logos who dealt with humanity.

So it seems perhaps as if YHWH the Father has many sons and several of them are willing to appear as women to achieve their objective...but The Logos/The Word...is not willing to do something like this.

I believe that gay people on planet earth are acting out a drama that began in the courts of heaven and ultimately I believe that just as King David wanted Absolom alive and repentant...so also YHWH wants the fallen angels to admit their serious guilt...admit it plainly...deeply...and come to HIM for the power to change. I believe that the fallen angels are learning from the situations that we humans are going through.

Every time that a macho father kicks out a gay or trans sexual son...the Devils notice....and I believe that their hearts are being prepared for repentance.

Why else would Yom Kippur, the Jewish festival somewhat similar to Passover have a "goat for Azazel?"

That is my theory anyway.

Gay people are helping YHWH to set the stage for the repentance of the ultimate Absolom...Satan.

Perhaps the last Elijah in his role of turning the hearts of fathers to their children...unconditionally...regardless of the sins of the children....will play a role that helps to finish off a Yom Kippur event...that unlike the sacrifice of Yahushua/Jesus which was totally and utterly for the children of Abraham...maybe a Yom Kippur aspect to the plan will actually have an effect on the fallen angels that will lead to YHWH the Father having his Absoloms back....which makes Him so happy...that His wrath is pacified...exactly as is predicted in Ecclesiasticus chapter 48?!


[url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm[/url]
1 [quote]And Elias the prophet stood up, as a fire, and his word burnt like a torch[/quote]
[quote][size=5]Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord[/size], to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob.[/quote]

[N/A Gone]

[quote name='ironmonk' post='1382170' date='Sep 9 2007, 10:12 PM']God has a plan for everyone... some maybe to show His mercy... some maybe for destruction...
God Bless,
ironmonk[/quote]

OT-Hijack...but that does not sound right. It sounds alot like calvinism. God having a plan for the destruction of people does not reconcile itself with what I know of catholic soteriology.


[quote name='prose' post='1382559' date='Sep 10 2007, 12:38 PM']Just so that it is clear, the NDE experience that is being advertised () here is directly against Church's teachings.[/quote]

the NDE is nothing more than the same thing some of Origin's students got in trouble for. They are right that "love" and "properly loving" is a major part of salvation. Augustine affirmed this. But the idea that we repeat the cycle and get closer is just the same thing that was a patristic issue. At least the guy can be creative.


Tate, whats your background? You talk as if you are jewish. Yet you have christian as your religion. Care to give a 411

[tate4242]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1389133' date='Sep 20 2007, 12:40 PM']The Church has never been a leader in anti-semitism. However some members of the church have committed this sin.What does this have to do with the topic?[/quote]

It has everything to do with this topic.

My last name is English.

I am half Irish, my mother's maiden name was Malloy.

Dad's family is actually from Northern Ireland...but with an English last name...we know which side of the struggle my father's family was on.

I have read that there was one particular time period when my English ancestors killed roughly one third of the people or Ireland.

One third were sent off to work on the colonies...manage the black slaves....basically be like Egyptian overseers.

One third was left in Ireland to work the land...grow grain and beef which was used to pay the rental on the land...and we Irish grew potatoes for our own consumption. It is interesting to note that during the time of the Irish potato blight when one million Irish starved to death my mother's ancestors had paid their grain and beef land rental payments in full at the same time that English politicians debated in their parliament how to help the 'poor Irish.'

Human beings are always coming up with some group of people that does not deserve to live. That group could be Jews, maybe Heretical Judaisers who mix Christianity with Judaism....maybe it is people who have a different skin color such as the native people of Nova Scotia...maybe it is because a buy is effeminate or homosexual....it is all a question of supposed supperiority that means that one group deserves to be exterminated...and another group should live...and prosper in all possible ways!!!

Look at the desire of Satan toward Adam and Eve according to this ancient writing:

(Chapter LXXII)

[quote]10 Satan also thought within himself, "God at first commanded Adam concerning the fruit of the tree, saying to him, 'Eat not of it; else of death you shall die.' But Adam ate of it, and yet God did not kill him; He only decreed on him death, and plagues and trials, until the day he shall come out of his body.

11 [size=5]Now, then, if I deceive him to do this thing, and to marry Eve without God's permission, God will kill him then[/size]."[/quote]

Satan thought that he and his hosts were a superior life form and that Adam and Eve should be exterminated.

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Whats your angle with the book?

Are you christian? Protestant? Jewish? You seem very smart.

[tate4242]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1389171' date='Sep 20 2007, 01:43 PM']OT-Hijack...but that does not sound right. It sounds alot like calvinism. God having a plan for the destruction of people does not reconcile itself with what I know of catholic soteriology.
the NDE is nothing more than the same thing some of Origin's students got in trouble for. They are right that "love" and "properly loving" is a major part of salvation. Augustine affirmed this. But the idea that we repeat the cycle and get closer is just the same thing that was a patristic issue. At least the guy can be creative.
Tate, whats your background? You talk as if you are jewish. Yet you have christian as your religion. Care to give a 411[/quote]

Sure. I am Scotch-Irish-English-Dutch. Born in Antigonish back in May of 1959. I had bleeding ulsers when I was very young. The Sisters at St. Martha's Hospital in Antigonish worried that I might kick the bucket when I was four years old because I could vomit a pan full of blood...and then another...and then another.

I got mad at God when I heard a hell fire and brimstone sermon from Dr. Billy Graham when I was perhaps six. My family is not very religious with the exception of my grandmother Edna Malloy who died back in '93. I became an atheist when I heard the evolutionary theory taught in Grade 2.

When I was about 12 or 13 I heard Mr. Garner Ted Armstrong. He got me into reading the Bible and I would often listen to him three times per night on the radio back in the seventies.

I attended a local Pentecostal church with my grandmother a few times when I was a teenager but I really wanted to go to Garner Ted's church. I finally bought a new car in '79 and started travelling to church in Halifax almost every weekend. I loved being part of the Worldwide Church of God for another dozen or so years and then the cognitive dissonance just got too great when I ran into the near death experience material.

After parting with the WWCG I read a lot of the Messianic Jewish writings and then once I got on the net I actually started reading Orthodox and especially Lubavichter writings. The more Jewish I become the closer ideologically I come to a belief structure that strangely resembles Catholicism.....or at least some versions of it.

Is Matthew Fox a Catholic theologian. He sure sounds like one! I read his book "The Coming of the Cosmic Christ." Awesome!!!!!

[tate4242]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1389192' date='Sep 20 2007, 02:03 PM']Whats your angle with the book?

Are you christian? Protestant? Jewish? You seem very smart.[/quote]

Gracias!

Actually I am borderline manic-depressive but i only manifested the mania when I took a particular nutritional supplement. We manics write about one third of all published novels...A somewhat elevated level of norephenerine helps us to think outside the box.

I absolutely love The Book of Adam and Eve, The Book of Jasher, The Book of Enoch, The Book of Jubilees, and the Catholic Apocrypha. I actually think that some of the statements in there have the power to bring peace to the Middle East...to help Moslems, Jews and Christians to begin to understand and actually like each other.

I hope to use such writings to initiate an actual Middle Eastern Peace Plan. Here is one of my political writings...a letter to my opponent in the upcoming Canadian federal election...Father in Heaven willing:

[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/4"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/4[/url]
[b]MP Peter Mackay. Did you become pro-Choice based on misleading statistics?[/b]

On one level...I suppose there is a bit of truth to the accusation that I am somewhat of a spammer! Silly me...I actually think that the internet can be used quite powerfully to make this planet a safer place for unborn children!

[N/A Gone]

Most high energy protos come here trying to save us then they burn out and leave. I hope you stick around for a while.

I actually was reading some 4th century gnostic and semitic text lately for a project I was working on (Gospel of Hebrews and Acts of Thomas) the writing is so beautiful. The problem is to make sure you do not consider them an authority on doctrine but rather as a witness to early Christian belief, a belief that in this case of my project, is verified by other legitimate sources.

people do this with old writings, but also with things from CS lewis or even Dante's inferno or Miltons trilogy. It is normal human nature in our seeking for the Divine to attribute something to the christian metaphysic when it was not intended to provide that truth.

Kind of embarissing but I did this in high school with the book "memnoch the devil" which had an interesting universalist angle for salvation.

[tate4242]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1389215' date='Sep 20 2007, 02:38 PM']Most high energy protos come here trying to save us then they burn out and leave. I hope you stick around for a while.

I actually was reading some 4th century gnostic and semitic text lately for a project I was working on (Gospel of Hebrews and Acts of Thomas) the writing is so beautiful. The problem is to make sure you do not consider them an authority on doctrine but rather as a witness to early Christian belief, a belief that in this case of my project, is verified by other legitimate sources.

people do this with old writings, but also with things from CS lewis or even Dante's inferno or Miltons trilogy. It is normal human nature in our seeking for the Divine to attribute something to the christian metaphysic when it was not intended to provide that truth.

Kind of embarissing but I did this in high school with the book "memnoch the devil" which had an interesting universalist angle for salvation.[/quote]

I truly thank you for the encouragement.

I hope to find a way to introduce anti-abortion legislation in the riding of Central Nova in the upcoming Canadian federal election. You can help out by sending these links to anybody who you know will be interested in the pro-life issue:

[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/2365"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/2365[/url]

[quote]Dennis Tate
E-mail: tate4pictouicentre@yahoo.ca
Website: [url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/messages/1?l=1"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4Central.../messages/1?l=1[/url]
[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/[/url]
March 27, 2008

[size=5]A ban on intracardiac potassium
chloride injections on singletons will be an important
part of my probable 2008 Canadian federal level
election platform.[/size]
Shalom.

Dennis Tate






[url="http://cv.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=8590#8590"]http://cv.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=8590#8590[/url]
[b]Exact wording needed for Pro-Life legislation.[/b]

Since I plan to run in the upcoming federal election I need exact wording for legislation to protect the unborn for the Third Trimester.

I also would greatly appreciate the exact wording for legislation that would give greater protection to the unborn at a much earlier date. I plan to e-mail Ms. Faytene Kryskow soon to see what she may have available of this nature.

Personally, I would love to see Canada protect the unborn as well as is being done in Poland since the early 1990's.

This e-mail to Minister of Defense Mr. Peter Mackay has an interesting link giving powerful evidence that the unborn experience pain as early as seven weeks.

[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/4"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/4[/url]


Thank you.


Dennis Tate


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Epiphany wrote:
Dennis

Campaign Life Coalition does not like protection by trimesters or weeks.

Campaign Life Coalition prefers restrictions according to techniques, e.g. "partial birth abortion".

The reason for this is that once you have protection by trimester, it is exceedingly difficult to progress beyond that. You're shooting yourself in the foot, politically. That is what their research suggests to them.

I would like to strongly encourage you to consider promoting a ban on intracardiac potassium chloride injections on singletons.

I think this is the most politically viable restriction in Canada that could potentially save a few lives.

When abortions are performed past 20 weeks, the abortionist will often (though not always) inject potassium chloride into the heart of the fetus.

This is because after 20 weeks, abortions are done through prostaglandin induction, which creates powerful, lethal contractions, but which sometimes produces a living child-- which of course is what the pro-aborts want to avoid.

To avoid this "dreaded complication" the abortionist will inject potassium chloride to the fetus' heart.

If we eliminated this especially cruel practice, we could save maybe a few babies a year. Possibly in the dozens.

The beauty of this restriction is that it's not a ban on abortion. Because it's not considered an abortion. An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. Killing a fetus is not, per se, an abortion. This procedure is actually called "feticide" and sounds a lot more ominous than "abortion".

It would be a good first step.

I stress that it should be banned for singletons only because it is also used for fetal reductions where multiple fetuses are involved. If we do not allow for that exception, it'll never pass. With that exception, I am certain it would pass.

Can you picture the feminists trying to defend a potassium chloride injection to the heart? Get me the popcorn.

But in case you want to do some research, Paul Steckle had a bill to ban some abortions after 20 weeks. It was introduced in 2006, I believe.

Good Luck.


Shalom Epiphany:

(Sir, I think that you were divinely led to choose your log in name, because I think you just inspired me to have something of an epiphany, if I remember the meaning of epiphany correctly).

Yes, as of today, Dennis Tate supports a: Code:
ban on intracardiac potassium chloride injections on singletons.


That is exactly my position for the moment unless perhaps Pastor David Herzog or Pastor Benny Hinn are given a divine message for Dennis Tate to support somewhat stronger legislation than this.

Muchas muchas gracias Senor!!!

Shalom.

Dennis Tate[/quote]

Correction..Epiphany is actually a Senora!

[tate4242]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1389215' date='Sep 20 2007, 02:38 PM']Most high energy protos come here trying to save us then they burn out and leave. I hope you stick around for a while.

I actually was reading some 4th century gnostic and semitic text lately for a project I was working on (Gospel of Hebrews and Acts of Thomas) the writing is so beautiful. The problem is to make sure you do not consider them an authority on doctrine but rather as a witness to early Christian belief, a belief that in this case of my project, is verified by other legitimate sources.

people do this with old writings, but also with things from CS lewis or even Dante's inferno or Miltons trilogy. It is normal human nature in our seeking for the Divine to attribute something to the christian metaphysic when it was not intended to provide that truth.

Kind of embarissing but I did this in high school with the book "memnoch the devil" which had an interesting universalist angle for salvation.[/quote]

Personally, I am actually most impressed with writings that are surprisingly new.

I believe that the near death experience material is the Heavenly Father and/or Jesus/Yahushua speaking directly to us in a way that we can understand far more clearly than any ancient text, including the Bible.

This one is so encouraging:

[url="http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm03.html"]http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm03.html[/url]

[quote]Howard's light being friends told him more about the new world to come. [size=4]According to them, God wished to usher in the kingdom within the next two hundred years. In order to do so, God had rescinded some of the free will given to creatures, in favor of more divine control over human events. This new world order, according to Howard, will resemble some near-death descriptions of heaven.[/size] People will live in such peace and harmony and love that communication will be telepathic, travel instantaneous and the need for clothing and shelter eliminated. The lion will indeed lie down with the lamb.][/quote]

Jeremiah 23:20:
The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart:[size=5] in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly[/size].

Jesus/Yahushua could not speak much of what he wanted to tell his disciples for many reasons. For one they were not ready to receive deep spiritual information. They had trouble enough dealing with info on essentially physical level topics. I believe that a powerful case can be presented that the near death experience material is the most readily comprehensible material available to those of us who live here on this earth in 2008. If this is true, then these near death experiences are just about the ultimate source of authoritative information on doctrine that can be found anywhere.

Could the thoughts of YHWH be understood perfectly 1500 years previous to the latter days?

No!

500 years previous?

No!

[Deb]

I read through his web site and he appears to be just another dork looking to make a buck and start his own following. There will be many like him in the future.

[tate4242]

[quote name='Deb' post='1497270' date='Apr 11 2008, 02:01 PM']I read through his web site and he appears to be just another dork looking to make a buck and start his own following. There will be many like him in the future.[/quote]

Thanks for reading the site and thank you for this correction. Paul said that he could not even judge himself so certainly there are elements of greed and a desire for fame in all of us, and certainly in myself. I will definitely pray about this because the only Being in the Universe who can deliver us from this body of death, is our Heavenly Father!

I know that I definitely want to accomplish something significant with this life and to whatever degree these selfish motives drive me, they act as a fly in the ointment and I will be unable to benefit anybody very much.

Jesus/Yahushua stated that "if you being evil" will do good for your children...then the Heavenly Father will certainly give us His Holy Spirit. I agree that Jesus was correct that I am inherently evil and without Jesus living in me through the Holy Spirit I will become more and more like the god of this age, the Devil.

I prayed and asked for some truly big gifts especially beginning in 1990 and I do feel a responsibility to share what I've been taught since then.

Here is an explanation for hell that may make sense to some people that would not accept another approach:
[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/2076"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/2076[/url]
[b]Scientific explanation for hell, from Dennis Tate. Re: Update from Sid Roth[/b].

[carrdero]

[quote name='Budge' post='1381101' date='Sep 8 2007, 04:16 PM']Hasnt anyone here warned you yet that NDE's are of the occult?

Even some Catholics are aware of this.

I hate (don't hate, appreciate) to see you stay in this error.

While pagan UU, I believed they were something good too, they are NOT.

I have a relative who could be in hell right now to my horror because they had an NDE, and they told me they had no worries about whether they would be going to heaven or not and what people believed didnt matter.

[url="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Yym6TStlm7AJ:www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/theological-dictionary/TD4W1004.pdf+NDE+and+occult&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a"]PLEASE READ THIS FOR YOUR OWN SAKE![/url][/quote]
Are you citing this on fact or faith?

[tate4242]

[quote name='Deb' post='1497270' date='Apr 11 2008, 03:01 PM']I read through his web site and he appears to be just another dork looking to make a buck and start his own following. There will be many like him in the future.[/quote]

Hi Deb:

OK, you could perhaps be correct. I admit that materialism is pretty much as much a part of my psychology as it is with the other 98% of Canadians.

I may end up being the representative for the Christian Heritage Party here in NS at the federal level of politics and with the Family Coalition Party at the provincial level. I admire that you did your research and took a look at my website and I challenge to dig up unwise statements by me and post your comments into the official Christian Heritage Party message board.

[url="http://cv.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=8927#8927"]http://cv.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=8927#8927[/url]
Am I TOO PRO-ISRAEL to represent CHP in Nova Scotia?

[Dennis Tate]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1189213668' post='1380732']
The so-called "book of adam and eve " is a series of fables written about 100 years BC. They are in no way scripture.
[/quote]

But they certainly are interesting and give us some good theories on how Cain found a wife! He had a twin sister named Luluwa who was more beautiful than her mother whereas Abel had a twin sister named Aklia who was rather plain in comparison. Luluwa was supposed to marry Abel and this played a significant role in Cain's motives for murder. This theory makes sense to me!

[Winchester]

Keep this up, and we're taking away your TARDIS.

[Dennis Tate]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1328449229' post='2381428']
Keep this up, and we're taking away your TARDIS.
[/quote]

What is my TARDIS?