cmotherofpirl Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 To be our brothers keeper is what we should do, The context in which he said that though was for our spiritual friends and partners to point out or mistakes lovingly, not on a chat forum.....lil difference... Secondly, Im sure all of us at one time have done something that defies church teaching and because we have doesnt mean all the sudden we arent cathoilcs anymore. So people at phatmass are not our spiritual friends and brothers and sisters? If you consistantly defy church teachings on a regular basis how can you call yourself catholic? That is not the same as sinning, repenting, confessing, and starting over.
vianney Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 Of course we repent but you didnt say that, you said if you defy church teachings then you are not catholic. I (more often than i would like) do something stupid whether it be sinning or defy church teachings or not sticking up for church teachings when i should, but that doesnt mean im not catholic and i recognize that it is wrong and i recognize that the church is right. And I hate to put this harshly but yes I know that phatmassers are all bros and siss in christ. But the internet is not a way to REALLY get to know someone. So I wouldnt be 2 quick on the internet to point out others faults and tell them who is and isnt catholic.
Chrysologus Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 Oh my goodness, vianney's avatar is terrifying. Make it stop!
Good Friday Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 (edited) UGH. I quit. May God have mercy on all those who obstinately refuse to listen to the Church. Amen, I'm done with this thread. Edited August 7, 2003 by Good Friday
vianney Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Friday; There is a big differnece between openly being defiant and just plain not agreeing with church teaching and agreeing with church teaching but sometimes you fall and dont always follow it. Big difference...
Good Friday Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Vianney -- While I don't want to judge anyone, I can say with certainty that the people I'm referring to on this thread are those who are openly defiant and just plain don't agree with Church teaching, they have said so themselves on this very thread. I definitely know the difference, since I'm the kind who agrees with Church teaching but falls from time to time.
vianney Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 ok i see what your saying then, yes I would have to agree with you then those who basically dont accept church teaching need to question why they are in this church. I agree with you totally there. Sorry for any mis communication on my part.
hyperdulia again Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 who would these people you speak of be nathan?
Good Friday Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 If I had wanted to identify them, I would have. I'm sure they know who they are, and I hope anyone who it doesn't apply to doesn't mistakenly think I mean them. If you're not sure, then I'm probably not talking about you.
hyperdulia again Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 well, i'm not sure and if you're talking about me and i'd like you to say so if you are. if you aren't i'm paranoid and defensive at the best of times, so eh.
Good Friday Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 It's not you... and even those who I was referring to, I hope they'll just ignore what I said. I'm not in a good frame of mind tonight.
jasJis Posted August 8, 2003 Author Posted August 8, 2003 A basic question that still needs to be answered is if a homosexual couple is a good or bad moral example to the children. From that answer further thougth and consideration can be built to develop an answer. I think I'll start another thread/poll.
FreeSoul Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Well, excuse me but i've never been someone to beat around the bush (so to speak) **laughs at herself** Good Friday is talking about meeeeeeee and the reason why I stay in the church is because I believe that the church can grow from this neuroses (well, that's what I heard a priest called it the other day)...just think back to the days when interracial marriage was illegal. (well don't think back if you're not old enough...but imagine). catholic 1: I believe in interracial marriage catholic 2: Well that's just unnatural! catholic 1: well I believe that God is cool with it catholic 2: well God didn't mean for the races to mix and if you don't believe that you don't believe in God or holy Mother Church..blah blah blah catholic 1: Well I think it will be a challenge for the church but it needs to grow catholic 2: well look at what will happen to the children? they'll be all confused about their culture..and they need a solid identity and if you have two parents..I mean IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT And some of the racists had things for black women and raped them...and some acted out on children...and some beat people up over it (and of course that's wrong..but of course ppl get mad when people commit abominations)...and some got over it and became tolerance citizens of the church...and some of them died confused about it...and some just stayed silent.... its the same problem instead its sexual minorities instead of racial minorities and the same reason is being used.. because it's just not natural and the children will be confused and blah blah blah... I mean YES children will be confused just like children were confused about the whole racial thing...and I personally think that it's because parents themselves are still learning about how to make interracial marriage work today..even in a "mostly supportive" society...let alone for homosexuals who have US breathing down their necks. So they can't have babies...so what? Should we ban parapalegics from getting married too because they were born without the ability to procreate? oh wait, i hear that's been done before. nevermind.
PedroX Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Free Soul, Could you please show the Church teaching that banned inter-racial marriage? My point is not that racism didn't exist, but rather that there was no doctrinal statement (in the Catholic Church) supporting racism, or banning inter-racial marriage. peace...
FreeSoul Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Oh I agree it didn't speak out against it formally. It didn't need to, but it did struggle with the issue, and we still do. I'm just drawing a parallel.
jasJis Posted August 8, 2003 Author Posted August 8, 2003 Free Soul, But interracial and same-sex marriage are not parralell circumstances. Maybe we should start another thread. What is your understanding of the Catholic Church's teachings about homosexaulity?
FreeSoul Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 My understanding is that.... it is an abomination (God doesn't like it) it is closed to the act of life (they can't make babies) it can not be truly unitive (it just isn't natural because it doesn't fit right because girls are meant to be one way and boys are meant to be another way..there are specific roles for men and women and therefore gender for us doesn't exist) homosexuals are called to chastity and to bear their cross (don't do it) the origins of homosexuality are largely undetermined (we don't have enough research to say whether it's a choice or not although we'll just say it's a condition that can change that some people can't choose) Oh speaking of which, there's a question a friend of mine asked one time....it made me laugh, but i'll leave that alone...ppl will just get angry...lol (and hey! that's just off the top of my head...w/o looking!)
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