Jake Huether Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 I don't think it is fair to survey how well any kids are on what they themselves say. For that matter, I don't think it is fair to survey humans on how morally well, or how sound they are, on what they say. If you place a frog in warm water and slowly raise the temp, the frog will gladly sit their untill it's dead. If you asked it how it felt up until it's eyes rolled back it would say "fine". Of course a child who's only love came form a gay mom is going to say everything is hunky dorey! The real test is to place this kids morals up agains 1) the ten Commandments and 2) the Teachings of the Church. There are no significant differences between kids with gay parents and kids with straight parents on a variety of psychological measures, including gender-roles, self-esteem, and more. These are purely secular questions! Of course they're gunna be the same. The Church and Catholic people in general are more interested in the Childs eternal well being (that is his soul). We care about his psychi, his physical well being too. But these are secondary to the spiritual. Did they ask the kid what he thinks of contraception? Or abortion, what about abortion? Did they ask what the child thinks about chastity, or about human sexuality? Does he know the reasons for marriage, and the reasons for waiting to have sex? Does the child know about the ill effects of drugs? Or that self gratification isn't always acceptable? These are real survey questions. You don't make a poll on "how children of homosexual families come out" and then ask the kid if he knows how to cook! Of course two men can teach a kid to count, to succeed in life (as secular success is defined), they can teach him 10 languages, how to tie his shoe, they can teach him math, they might even teach him friendship and loyalty. They can instill certain virtues. But a handfull of virtues mixed in with a handfull of vices is still poison to the soul. You won't find a secular poll or survey that can provide any kind of statistics to prove that ssc as parents are just as good as the "conventional" parents as far as instilling the TRUTH about God, LOVE, and His MORAL LAW. And therefore, you won't find a secualr poll that I will ever take seriously. We're in the business of making sure souls are okay, not the flesh. Not even mental capacity. The SOUL. The Church militant are here to save eternal souls. If we happen to save a life, or save physical pain from ocurring, then that is merely icing on the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Did they ask the kid what he thinks of contraception? Or abortion, what about abortion? Did they ask what the child thinks about chastity, or about human sexuality? Does he know the reasons for marriage, and the reasons for waiting to have sex? Does the child know about the ill effects of drugs? Or that self gratification isn't always acceptable? True, but look at this website......there are at least 3 ppl here who have ssa...are they all in favour of abortion? premarital sex? and drug use? We all have varying opinions....and its just the same for heterosexuals if not more so who have had the pleasure of having their moral code more than spelled out for them in the traditional forum, by the church. Are all these catholic straight people living up to our expectations? Should we stop them from raising children too? I don't think that's a fair assumption that all people who have same-sex attraction have skewed morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 THe two people on this board that I know of with SSA are Catholic before they are anything else. So their opinons on abortion etc will reflect the views of faithful Catholics everywhere else on this board. No one said SSA people all have skewed morals, we are talkng about homosexual couples adopting children. Couples that do not reflect the family as God made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 lol...I'm not going to dignify the judgements which acccompany a statement like that. It's not my thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 God's family is modeled in the Holy Family....thats the way God intends it, thats the way it should be done...period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Did they ask the kid what he thinks of contraception? Or abortion, what about abortion? Did they ask what the child thinks about chastity, or about human sexuality? Does he know the reasons for marriage, and the reasons for waiting to have sex? Does the child know about the ill effects of drugs? Or that self gratification isn't always acceptable? True, but look at this website......there are at least 3 ppl here who have ssa...are they all in favour of abortion? premarital sex? and drug use? We all have varying opinions....and its just the same for heterosexuals if not more so who have had the pleasure of having their moral code more than spelled out for them in the traditional forum, by the church. Are all these catholic straight people living up to our expectations? Should we stop them from raising children too? I don't think that's a fair assumption that all people who have same-sex attraction have skewed morals. I understand that heterosexuals can also teach their kids wrong. And they should be held NO less acountable for the damage done to the child. But this thread is dedicated to responding to whether or not homosexuals should adopt children. If we had a thread dedicated to whether or not heterosexual drug addicts should adopt, you'd find the same results. What we're saying is that the only reason heterosexuals should be the only ones allowed to adopt is becuase a married heterosexual couple is the only couple that has the POTENTIAL to fulfill God's family plan! Remove all the other sins in their lives, and they are a purfect family - mother father child. A homosexual couple (married or not) cannot EVER fulfull God's family plan - especially if they are actively homosexual! Remove all the other sin in their lives, yet the one sin remains that bonds them as a couple in the first place. Remove EVEN that sin, and they are still an imperfect family, mother mother child or father father child. No one is saying that homosexuals are the WORSE type of parents. The poll asked specifically about them. If you are interested in our views of what it takes for a heterosexual couple to adopt, then please post a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Then why are vowed members of religious communities allowed to adopt? Especially if they live alone? Or single people aside from a religous community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 They are alowed to because secular society doesn't care about the welfare of children. Why is abortion legal - is a like question. Not one of us said it was right. The Catholic Church never said it was right. You are making a statement about a law that is already in place, which the Catholic Church has not commented on recently. Everyone is all stired up about the Catholic possition on homosexual adoption - you're not looking at what else the Catholic Church teaches. Children should not be raised in single family homes! If we ALL (homosexuals and heterosexuals) beleived in Jesus and listend to His Church, we wouldn't be discussing this at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Nope. I'm not talking about secular society...I'm talking about the Church...which allows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Oops....pressed da wrong buttn. Vowed religious are allowed to adopt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted August 6, 2003 Author Share Posted August 6, 2003 Free Soul, That last question is beside the point. Either you agree or disagree with the Catholic Church that active homosexuality is acceptable or not. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 If someone from a religious community adopts, that person is most likely to be most concerned with the child's salvation, as Jake pointed out, which is the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 And gay people aren't??? And there are many vowed religious who disagree w/ the church...nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted August 6, 2003 Author Share Posted August 6, 2003 And gay people aren't??? And there are many vowed religious who disagree w/ the church...nothing new. Are you answering my previous question, or are you saying one religion or denomination is just as good as the other, albeit, different and they don't have to agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 If a gay person is active in homosexual activities, I would think they were not concerned with their own salvation, let alone a child's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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