Jesus Camp

[blovedwolfofgod]

thats terrible, i wonder if the movie had anything to do with the vandalism.

[BG45]

[quote name='blovedwolfofgod' post='1453000' date='Jan 30 2008, 06:48 PM']thats terrible, i wonder if the movie had anything to do with the vandalism.[/quote]

I'd hope not, but wouldn't be surprised if someone saw the film, reacted badly, and thought to do so...

[Laudate_Dominum]

What vandalism? I don't think I heard about that.

[BG45]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1453104' date='Jan 30 2008, 10:04 PM']What vandalism? I don't think I heard about that.[/quote]

I only heard about it thanks to some Pagans I know. So dug up the old link they sent me from Christianity Today:

[url="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/novemberweb-only/146-12.0.html"]http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/n...y/146-12.0.html[/url]

[quote name=''the article'']The camp takes place at a rented facility in Devil's Lake, N.D., but Fischer said the owners of the campground asked her not to return after vandals caused $1,500 in damage in October.[/quote]

[carrdero]

[quote name='"Kyrie eleison' post='1452360' date='Jan 29 2008, 02:38 AM']Have you seen the movie? Comments? to see [url="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5745767401002835964"]click here[/url][/quote]
Haven't seen it yet but I have visited many forums that were discussing it. I am glad the topic is making an appearance on Phatmass, I would be very interested to hear what members thought of it.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1453415' date='Jan 31 2008, 12:48 PM']Haven't seen it yet but I have visited many forums that were discussing it. I am glad the topic is making an appearance on Phatmass, I would be very interested to hear what members thought of it.[/quote]
I've pretty much said my thing but to sum it up I would just post the puke smiley (which I don't know how to do but I would if I knew the code to type). hehe

["Kyrie eleison"]

[quote]Haven't seen it yet but I have visited many forums that were discussing it. I am glad the topic is making an appearance on Phatmass, I would be very interested to hear what members thought of it.[/quote]

I feel really sad for these kids that are being indoctrinated with the emotionalism of this movement. I really fear for them as teens and adults and do anticipate mental and or emotional breakdown in these young children who are so intensely centered on the messages that these types of preachers are ingraining in them. I wonder what the percentage of kids are being raised in this manner, especially in the bible belt.

[Maccabeus]

When I read the Bible scripture, I understood it as, that GOD gave them "Disciples" the gift of tongues, to go and spread the Gospel to the whole World and thats what they did.
Now if these "Modern cases of speaking in Tongues" is only for few minutes, and then its all gone, and they gotta get all worked up about it, to get it again, Then I think theres something wrong with what they're encountering. If thats the case they're imitating.

... imo.

[Jaime]

I've never thought to pray over chairs prior to a speaking engagement. It never occurred to me.

I enjoyed the "sin is like a fuzzy kitty that grows into a bigger fuzzy kitty" metaphor.

It stunk as a metaphor but I enjoyed it.


overall the movie scared the carp out of me

[jeffpugh]

I don't get the fuzzy kitty thing.

Yeah, the bits I've seen are scary. Maybe I'll watch it all with some Catholic friends if we're up for a horror flick

[Farsight one]

I thought it was a rather interesting documentary. It was certainly done quite well. Very fair and neutrally presented - even the people in it agree. This is all but impossible to do in a documentary today, and even harder to do when it is about religion.

About their practices and theology, I have a few comments

1. Their speaking in tongues is nothing more than emotionally activated turrettes syndrome(I feel really bad that I, as a psychologist, can't remember how to spell that). I mutter "gibberish" phrases a couple of times a day, but I know I don't speak in tongues. Part of speaking in tongues is that those who hear you UNDERSTAND what you're saying - no one was doing that.

2. I also very distinctly remember a split second moment in one scene about the speaking in tongues where one of the adults TOLD the kid what to say. It's easy to miss, but I rewound and watched it a second time. That's not speaking in tongues at all.

3. I find it amusing that the lady running the camp went off on Harry Potter. I don't have what she said exactly right, but it was something like "no matter how nice, or good, or Christ-like he seems, Harry Potter is a wizard, and wizardry is forbidden by the bible. Harry potter is forbidden by the bible" Yet I also quite distinctly remember a scene with a paperback copy of Lord of the Rings sitting on a kitchen table(if memory serves well enough, it was the fellowship of the ring). Gandalf is a wizard too. Why aren't they speaking out against him? It's just picking and choosing.

[Maccabeus]

...reading all of this, I'm gonna rent it tomorrow and watch it, out of curiosity.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Maccabeus' post='1454438' date='Feb 2 2008, 02:14 AM']...reading all of this, I'm gonna rent it tomorrow and watch it, out of curiosity. [/quote]

you can see it on google videos for free

[Jaime]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1454379' date='Feb 1 2008, 11:29 PM']I don't get the fuzzy kitty thing.

Yeah, the bits I've seen are scary. Maybe I'll watch it all with some Catholic friends if we're up for a horror flick[/quote]

She was saying that sin at first appeared cute and kind of fun (little fuzzy kitty) and no big deal. But then it grows into something huge and scary (larger cuter fuzzy kitten). The second stuffed animal was actually cuter than the first.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1454485' date='Feb 2 2008, 10:06 AM']you can see it on google videos for free[/quote]
If it'll load...I tried to watch it last night and it wouldn't load for me.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1454489' date='Feb 2 2008, 10:08 AM']She was saying that sin at first appeared cute and kind of fun (little fuzzy kitty) and no big deal. But then it grows into something huge and scary (larger cuter fuzzy kitten). The second stuffed animal was actually cuter than the first.[/quote]
that's a ripoff. and the kitty analogy is sorta off, but i'll take it.

[Maccabeus]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1454485' date='Feb 2 2008, 11:06 AM']you can see it on google videos for free[/quote]


Instead I watched Fried Green Tomatoes.

[BG45]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1454489' date='Feb 2 2008, 11:08 AM']She was saying that sin at first appeared cute and kind of fun (little fuzzy kitty) and no big deal. But then it grows into something huge and scary (larger cuter fuzzy kitten). The second stuffed animal was actually cuter than the first.[/quote]

Gotta love the scene you're talking about with Sin as a tiger...while she swings the lion.

[Chaya]

i saw it and even taped it, but i can't say much. it looks like the place i spent seven years in, starting age 12, just that i was in germany, not the US. but other than that, exatly the same stuff.
i left when i was 19. now, i'm 32 and am still suffering from it.
i pray for all those kids, but also the adults who have grown up in that kind of toxic environment.