Boyfriend/girlfriend

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Paddington' post='1467739' date='Feb 23 2008, 01:56 PM']They are absolutely right. [mod]--Era Might[/mod][/quote]

eww! can't believe you said that!

[Paddington]

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said the gross part.

[Deb]

I was trying to ignore you said that.

[prose]

[quote name='XIX' post='1467724' date='Feb 23 2008, 01:29 PM']Yes, if one were to avoid all forms of physical contact in a relationship, it would probably reduce the probability of having sex. But I don't think it actually makes the virtue of chastity any stronger. Chastity isn't simply about repressing your sexual desire until you find a licit outlet for your passions. It's about realizing that God gave you your sexuality, that others are to be respected, that others are not to be used,

It's not about saying no to sex. It's about being unselfish and above all else it's about saying yes to God.[/quote]

That is exactly how I feel.

As for the couple in the original question:

If they are in love and have discerned marriage, money is not an issue. You do not need money to be married. You need money to plan a wedding large enough to keep up with the Jones', but you don't need a big wedding to be married.

I don't see how a couple in love would let money keep them away from their vocational calling.

If it is NOT their calling, then, no, they should not be kissing, cuddling, etc. This is just using each other because the other is physically satisfying.

If the woman wants a "rich" man, then the man should send her on her merry, selfish way.

[prose]

I should add, that a couple does not need to RUSH into marriage either. Physical contact is great for closeness in relationships. It can be a chaste decision within a dating relationship (see above description of chastity). But marriage should never be put off just because of money.

[corban711]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1467708' date='Feb 23 2008, 02:32 PM']Yeah, my musical abilities consist of playing the spoons. [/quote]


there is no spoon. end hijack.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='corban711' post='1469995' date='Feb 27 2008, 01:52 PM']there is no spoon. end hijack.[/quote]
You are learning, my friend. Next time, don't add anything after (like "End Hijack"). The words of truth are just a short interlude in the bigger picture.... (aka the thread).

[corban711]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1470072' date='Feb 27 2008, 04:47 PM']You are learning, my friend. Next time, don't add anything after (like "End Hijack"). The words of truth are just a short interlude in the bigger picture.... (aka the thread).[/quote]


thank you for the tip! yes i am young yet. i sense that i have much to learn from you

[jeffpugh]

Watch and learn.

There is no spoon

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='Paddington' post='1464461' date='Feb 16 2008, 07:41 PM']I threw this question in the middle of the explicit thread about NFP. Maybe it can get a few answers with its own thread.

Peace,
Paddington
Can a man and woman be really close and hug and kiss and not plan on getting married since they don't have the money? Maybe in the distant future, but maybe not?

Should the man step away and hope that another man with more money comes along for her to marry and have kids with?
Even if they are both very happy doing what they are doing? And they submit to the pope and encourage each other to submit to the pope?[/quote]


I think they need to address the issue of why they don't have enough money to support themselves. There may be a character flaw at play here, unless they are simply too young/still in school.

[Deb]

Yes. You don't need money to get married, just a roof over your head and a can of spam.

[Guest]

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1472256' date='Mar 2 2008, 11:28 AM']I think they need to address the issue of why they don't have enough money to support themselves. There may be a character flaw at play here, unless they are simply too young/still in school.[/quote]

ahh nice work gumshoe