On The Topic Of Liturgy: Praise & Worship

[Noel's angel]

Well, considering Katolico is a lurker, I would assume he/she hasn't been around for the last two years and may not have been part of the threads about this.
You could always just have said, 'Have a look at the billion other threads about this. You'll find a lot of info. there.'

If music does not reflect the beauty and solemnity of the occasion, don't use it. Most (if not all) praise and worship isn't appropriate for the Liturgy, simply on these grounds.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Katolico' post='123235' date='Feb 18 2004, 10:11 PM']It should be clarified that by "Praise & Worship" it is meant that genre of Contemporary Christian Music that originated and is popular amongst Evangelicals and appears at an increasing number of Novus Ordo masses.[/quote]
For Byzantine Catholics this is a non-issue, because that type of music is not allowed in the divine liturgy.

Edited July 1, 2008 by Apotheoun

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1588470' date='Jul 1 2008, 04:49 PM']For Byzantine Catholics this is a non-issue, because that type of music is not allowed in the divine liturgy.[/quote]


sooo jealous....

of course it's not technically allowed in ours, either, but let's not get into that, I've made enough people mad lately...

[Jenny Yay]

I would much rather hear Gregorian chant (even though I've never heard it in a church). It sounds more "otherworldly", so to speak, and holy. The times I've heard Gregorian chant (my mother has a Christmass CD with some on it), it makes me think of how the angels would have sung "Glory to God in the highest" when they appeared to the shepherds when Christ was born.

Praise and worship music is too insipid for my tastes.

[icelandic_iceskater]

what ticks me off is when people start clapping and doing hand-motions during mass.

[Treehugger]

[quote name='M.SIGGA' post='123942' date='Feb 20 2004, 02:25 AM']Like the Rosary for example; I wouldn't break into "Our God is an Awesome God" after completing each Mystery. The reason why is the Rosary isn't supposed to be prayed that way.[/quote]

I have read what others have been posting regarding "Praise and Worship" music in the liturgy. Many say that it does not fit and that it takes away from the tradtion element that is so valuable. I attend a Lifeteen parish where contemporary Christian music is played throughout the mass. Everyone in the church is participates with such "full, active, concious participation." The music selected is also carefully chosen to reflect the liturgical year. It is difficult to see issues with liturgical correctness when the church is full or people joyfully singing our parish mission statement of "Becoming a joyful, Catholic community of spirit-filled disciples worsjipping the Risen Lord!" It's interesting to think of where the balance would be. Prayer is prayer and there are so many different ways. Why would such ways be unsuitable for the liturgy. Really, I don't know that much about this genre of music in the liturgy so please let me know!

Also, the comment about the Rosary not supposed to be prayed certain ways...I find this difficult to follow. I pray many audio versions of the Rosary. (I have them on my iPod.) There are so many CDs with the Rosary these days. Some with religious sisters singing, other with a contemporary feel, and still others in more of a rap genre. (Joe Melendrez!) Why are other creative ways of praying the same prayer and reflecting on the mysteries less "correct?"

[Guest KevinSymonds]

The musical style known as 'praise and worship' (P&W) is actually a punch to the face of Catholicism.

[b]So Gregorian Chant and Sacred Polyphony are not for the praise and worship of the Almighty Triune God?[/b]

This is a rather emotional topic for me so I will leave the above question for everyone to think about. The answers are out there. A lot depends upon how far the person is willing to go in pursuit of the truth.

-KJS

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='johnnydigit' post='1588097' date='Jul 1 2008, 06:25 AM']Christian Praise&Worship/Contemporary/Gospel/Rock/Country/Pop/Rap/Alternative/Metal(i dunno about heavy metal though) is freaking awesome!



..outside of Mass.



(mods, time to join threads?)[/quote]
No you di'n't!

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1588470' date='Jul 1 2008, 04:49 PM']For Byzantine Catholics this is a non-issue, because that type of music is not allowed in the divine liturgy.[/quote]
You're moving me closer to wanting to become Byzantine... but... not right now...

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1588917' date='Jul 2 2008, 02:58 AM']sooo jealous....

of course it's not technically allowed in ours, either, but let's not get into that, I've made enough people mad lately...[/quote]
Hehe... not like it's possible to not offend anyone anyways...

[quote name='Jenny Yay' post='1589225' date='Jul 2 2008, 02:24 PM']I would much rather hear Gregorian chant (even though I've never heard it in a church). It sounds more "otherworldly", so to speak, and holy. The times I've heard Gregorian chant (my mother has a Christmass CD with some on it), it makes me think of how the angels would have sung "Glory to God in the highest" when they appeared to the shepherds when Christ was born.[/quote]
Look up "ave maria gregorian chant" on youtube. Nice examples there too.

[quote name='Jenny Yay' post='1589225' date='Jul 2 2008, 02:24 PM']Praise and worship music is too insipid for my tastes.[/quote]
Ice burn

[pan!c139]

UGH! I hate when it's a rock concert at MASS!!!! Reserve that kind of music for a youth meeting, but use proper music at Mass.

[Selah]

I couldn't stand that either.

[salterrae]

JM + JT

I had a short conversation about this with the friend I was traveling to and from ND Vision with. He was totally for P&W at Mass and I was more with the "it depends" opinion.

The 5 PM Mass at my parish is the teen mass, so they usually have P&W type songs which I don't see any problem with. Mass doesn't end up feeling like a rock concert even with the drums.

Is it mostly teens that are "pushing" for more P&W in Mass?

I enjoy a lot of Christian rock/ whatever songs (they fill my iPod), but I don't see the need to scatter them throughout the Mass. I'd prefer the more solemn kind of music like Gregorian Chant which I have yet to see at Mass.

If anything, I'd think P&W could be used during Adoration (for teens, at least) - with times for silent prayer, of course (sometimes they forget those parts ).

So yeah, I too don't see why there should be argument over this. Just make sure it's appropriate and not more like a concert and it should be fine.

[pan!c139]

I agree.

[Noel's angel]

No drums in Mass! Even if people are gonna pull the 'well no one says you can't play guitar at Mass' line, you can't get away with that for the drums. They're expressly forbidden.
P+W shouldn't be used for Adoration either. How can it be Adoration if you're busy singing P+w music? Adoration should be silent time, spent before the Lord, contemplating.

[salterrae]

JM + JT

I never said that I agreed with the use of the drums, just that they were at least not used in a "rock concert" sort of way.

And regarding P&W at adoration, I do not mean at perpetual adoration or all adoration "services" or whatever the correct term is.

I honestly don't see why some singing would not be OK at say adoration at a high school retreat. I do not mean hands waving, dancing, drums and bongos, but singing and possibly guitars ever few mintues or so with silent prayer and contemplation in between. Why can't you praise and worship the Lord who is revealed right before you?

Edited July 17, 2008 by salterrae

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='salterrae' post='1601926' date='Jul 17 2008, 01:32 PM']JM + JT

I had a short conversation about this with the friend I was traveling to and from ND Vision with. He was totally for P&W at Mass and I was more with the "it depends" opinion.

The 5 PM Mass at my parish is the teen mass, so they usually have P&W type songs which I don't see any problem with. Mass doesn't end up feeling like a rock concert even with the drums.

Is it mostly teens that are "pushing" for more P&W in Mass?

I enjoy a lot of Christian rock/ whatever songs (they fill my iPod), but I don't see the need to scatter them throughout the Mass. [b]I'd prefer the more solemn kind of music like Gregorian Chant which I have yet to see at Mass.[/b]

If anything, I'd think P&W could be used during Adoration (for teens, at least) - with times for silent prayer, of course (sometimes they forget those parts ).

So yeah, I too don't see why there should be argument over this. Just make sure it's appropriate and not more like a concert and it should be fine. [/quote]
Emphasis mine. Srsly, how can people be hatin on it when they haven't tried it. That's one of my side comments about this music controversy.

[quote name='salterrae' post='1602176' date='Jul 17 2008, 05:09 PM']JM + JT

I never said that I agreed with the use of the drums, just that they were at least not used in a "rock concert" sort of way.

And regarding P&W at adoration, I do not mean at perpetual adoration or all adoration "services" or whatever the correct term is.

I honestly don't see why some singing would not be OK at say adoration at a high school retreat. I do not mean hands waving, dancing, drums and bongos, but singing and possibly guitars ever few mintues or so with silent prayer and contemplation in between. Why can't you praise and worship the Lord who is revealed right before you?[/quote]

Ahem... the correct term is "djimbai". Who uses bongos