On The Topic Of Liturgy: Praise & Worship

[salterrae]

JM + JT

I was hatin' in your emphases?

I don't like bongos, or djembai or whatever, but mentioned it to add to the mental picture I wanted to create.

They use 'em at the Spanish masses sometimes as a background sound - nothing too loud to get themselves kicked out.

Oh, and I Googled djimbai - apparently it's [i]djembai[/i].

Edited July 17, 2008 by salterrae

[pan!c139]

I dunno...I just prefer the traditional music at Mass, minus the drums and guitars and whatnot.
No fighting kids, emphasis belongs to everyone. ;-)

[Apotheoun]

The Byzantine Churches do not use musical instruments during the liturgy.

[salterrae]

JM + JT

I really think it depends on the circumstances.

On any given normal Sunday Mass, solemn music such as Gregorian Chant or any other approved and preferred music should be used.

But, say, at a teen Mass, I think music more familiar to teens should be used - obviously with some restrictions and toning down so as not to forget or even ruin the sacredness of what is occuring.

Now, I'm not saying that teens won't like Gregorian Chant, etc., as I myself would love to see it used at my own parish and school, but I think it unfair to say or insinuate that 99% of all P&W songs are inappropriate for use in Mass. Sure, there are some with lyrics not in line with Catholic teaching, so those can obviously be placed on the "no-no" list, but there are others that are either in-line or indifferent yet still appropriate.

Just because we might have our own preferences and pet peeves towards other kinds of music doesn't give us the right to make another form of music almost blasphemous.

I actually find it funny that I'm sort of backing (some) use of P&W in the Mass since I've always preferred more solemn and prayerful music (not to say that P&W styled music can't be prayerful. I've had many a good prayers while listening and contemplating on the words of P&W songs.).

Edited July 17, 2008 by salterrae

[pan!c139]

Ya same here...

Still....

I'd rather have that for Adoration and have Mass music just be traditional. Not to bash it tho, it's still good stuff.

[salterrae]

JM + JT

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1602211' date='Jul 17 2008, 05:55 PM']The Byzantine Churches do not use musical instruments during the liturgy.[/quote]
I knew I forgot to mention something. This is actually what I would personally prefer for Mass - the use of the natural instruments God gave us: our voices.

This would include Gregorian Chant, no?

[pan!c139]

Indeed it would.
Wonderful conclusion.

I think we should start a petition to bring Gregorian Chant into Mass again.

[salterrae]

JM + JT

There's no need to petition, at least not in the signature and protest kind of way.

Maybe a simple conversation with the pastor and the director of music would be the most charitable and quickest route?

Now, how does one kindly tell the drummer at that teen Mass that the Lord would like him to use his gift elsewhere?

(Which reminds me that I want to see if I can get the new priest at my school to celebrate - at least daily Mass - [i]ad orientem[/i], but let's attempt to keep this thread on-topic )

Edited July 17, 2008 by salterrae

[pan!c139]

Haha...
(The petition was a joke!!!!)
I dunno either just tell him to his face or kindly avoid the subject till it comes up with the rest of the band (or choir) after Mass or sumsing.

[salterrae]

JM + JT

[quote name='pan!c139' post='1602228' date='Jul 17 2008, 06:09 PM']Haha...
(The petition was a joke!!!!)[/quote]
Duh.

[quote name='pan!c139' post='1602228' date='Jul 17 2008, 06:09 PM']I dunno either just tell him to his face or kindly avoid the subject till it comes up with the rest of the band (or choir) after Mass or sumsing.[/quote]
Well, I'm not in the "band" that plays. I wonder, I wonder... You think Msgr. Marini would like to pay our parish and visit and MC a mass and leave them an example to follow?

(Can you tell who my hero is? )

[pan!c139]

Hahaha I like your thinking! Very nice, yeah tell the Msgr. to MC the Mass! The band needs a break anyways.

[Noel's angel]

I have a question. Well, two actually.
!. Why should we have different music for 'teen' Masses?
2. Why do we even need 'teen' Masses?

I don't want some baloney about making teens feel welcome in the Church etc.

[salterrae]

JM + JT

It's nothing about the feeling of being welcome.

Why [i]not[/i] have a teen Mass? The youth group meeting follows, so why not start it off with a Mass?

And it isn't like the ushers check the ages of those entering to make sure they aren't passed their teenage years. The lectors are still adults, the only difference is that the youth group band handles the music.

[XIX]

I know, right? We don't need young adult Masses, or newlywed Masses, or senior citizen Masses, or Masses geared towards toddlers, or grade school Masses, or midlife crisis Masses. Why are teens (or the "youth") the only ones age group singled out as needing their own special liturgy and music?

And I find it ridiculous when people insinuate that young people have an easier time relating to P&W. Where does that presupposition even come from? Is it because the music is relatively new? By that logic, you could say that only 1500 year old people like the Gregorian Chant. And I've been to lots of "youth Masses" and there generally aren't any more young people there than there are at any other Mass. I don't really understand what is so special about the P&W genre that makes it geared towards the youth.



On a side note, it's kinda tragic that people refer to the Breaking Bread series is "traditional music." "Come dance in the forest come play in the fields" is not traditional music (it sounds a bit like a rejected Barney song actually). Tantum Egro Sacramentum is traditional. Salve Regina is traditional.

[salterrae]

JM + JT

So new forms of prayer can't be formed? New forms of musical prayer can't be created and used? Is traditional the only way?

And teen Masses can do a lot of good. I see most of my friends from school at the teen Mass and I meet new friends my age after seeing them Sunday after Sunday and at youth group after.

My parish doesn't put on the bulletin: 5 PM - Teen Mass but the fact that we're more involved in the Mass with just the music so far does make it more of a teen Mass.

What's so wrong about teens gathering together at the same Mass? Supporting eachother even by just merely being there. Singing music that sounds more familiar but still speaks the message that the more traditional and old songs do.

Sure, some go too far, sure some songs and instruments don't belong, but that doesn't automatically make other kinds of P&W type music totally unacceptable for Mass.

What happened to the moving of the Spirit to help the Church grow? It isn't like P&W will push out the use of more traditional songs. Tradition and growth/change can be balanced.