Who Will The World Blame?

[Galloglasses]

Question: If Islam does follow through with the threats, and DOES launch an attack against Rome which WILL lead to a wider conflict and much more trouble, will the World blame the Pope for provocing it?

If they do... Why would I not be surprised?

[prose]

Wish I could choose multiple answers. Since I can't, I will null vote

[kujo]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1500135' date='Apr 15 2008, 05:03 PM']Question: If Islam does follow through with the threats, and DOES launch an attack against Rome which WILL lead to a wider conflict and much more trouble, will the World blame the Pope for provocing it?

If they do... Why would I not be surprised?[/quote]

I think it's important to draw the distinction between [i]radical[/i] Islam and [i]moderate[/i] Islam. The [i]radicals[/i] do not represent the entire religion, no matter how loud and obnoxious they are. It's like the evangelicals. Are they representative of all of Christendom?

That said, the world will rightly condemn the attacks. Some will blame America and Christianity/Catholicism while others will blame all of Islam.

[KnightofChrist]

The United States, namely George W. Bush because of the Iraq/Terror War.

[kujo]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1500149' date='Apr 15 2008, 05:18 PM']The United States, namely George W. Bush because of the Iraq/Terror War.[/quote]

Is this your personal opinon of who [i]should[/i] be blamed?

[Galloglasses]

[quote name='kujo' post='1500156' date='Apr 15 2008, 03:21 PM']Is this your personal opinon of who [i]should[/i] be blamed?[/quote]
Doubtful, its probably what he thinks the world [i]will[/i] blame

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1500164' date='Apr 15 2008, 03:26 PM']Doubtful, its probably what he thinks the world [i]will[/i] blame[/quote]

Indeed, everything it would seem has been Americans and/or Bush's fault for the last 7 years, if there is another major terrorist attack in the world it is highly likely that the blame will be on Bush/America. Like there was for the Spain train bombings, which caused the Spanish to turn tail run.

[kujo]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1500174' date='Apr 15 2008, 05:31 PM']Indeed, everything it would seem has been Americans and/or Bush's fault for the last 7 years, if there is another major terrorist attack in the world it is highly likely that the blame will be on Bush/America. Like there was for the Spain train bombings, which caused the Spanish to turn tail run.[/quote]

Agreed. Thanks for clarifying.

[prose]

I think overall, religion as a whole will be blamed.

[Custos Morum]

[quote name='prose' post='1500195' date='Apr 15 2008, 09:53 PM']I think overall, religion as a whole will be blamed.[/quote]
Yes I expect this would happen here in secular Britain.

[Lena]

I voted for the religious extremists that launched the attack in the first place.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1500135' date='Apr 15 2008, 03:03 PM']Question: If Islam does follow through with the threats, and DOES launch an attack against Rome which WILL lead to a wider conflict and much more trouble, will the World blame the Pope for provocing it?

If they do... Why would I not be surprised?[/quote]

First of all,

Stop believing everything you hear in the media. As a former Journalism Student, I know there is only about 6 corporations that own 80 per cent of the popular media in the world. If they want you to have a certain world bent, they give that bent - like All Muslims are evil sociopaths ready to blow themselves up to destroy you good Christians!

If you actually believe the above sentence, you need to realize, most Muslims are like most Catholics, honest men and women who love God, and wouldn't do anything like that, and they avoid mad men like the leaders of the Taliban and Al Qeada like the plague, like we avoid madmen like David Koresh.

Second of all,

Have faith in God friend. The glass is half-filled. God has those people who would do something like that in his eyes, and he will recompense those who are truly responsible.

I don't think there will be this huge Muslim Uprising against Catholicism and Rome. Osama Bin Laden, if he is still alive - because it would be hard to hide out if you need Kidney Dialysis three times a week - only has a handful of young men to carry out his bidding. Way to few to lay siege on the Vatican! Give you head a shake!

Third of all,

Want to prevent this 'attack' make Muslim friends, and do what Paul says, when you're with the Muslim, be like the Muslim, so you can win him over to Christ!

Nuff said about world politics.

[Justin86]

[quote]Who Will The World Blame?[/quote]
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[Socrates]

Polls show aound 10% of the world's Muslims would actively support Jihad (when you look at total numbers, this is not an insignificant group). Most of the rest have not said they would oppose it.
Islam teaches that all Christians and Jews are infidels who have rejected Mohammed as The Prophet, and deserve to live in submission to Muslims unless they accept Islam. The goal is Islam is to rule the world. "Islam" means "submission."
That is not the belief of a few extremists, but orthodox Islamic dogma.

This "religion of peace" tripe is pure bs.
The agression of Islamists around the world is well documented.
Check it out: [url="http://jihadwatch.org/"]http://jihadwatch.org/[/url]

[XIX]

[quote name='prose' post='1500195' date='Apr 15 2008, 05:53 PM']I think overall, religion as a whole will be blamed.[/quote]
Most definitely.

[Galloglasses]

[quote name='JesusIsMySuperHero' post='1502188' date='Apr 17 2008, 08:28 PM']First of all,

Stop believing everything you hear in the media. As a former Journalism Student, I know there is only about 6 corporations that own 80 per cent of the popular media in the world. If they want you to have a certain world bent, they give that bent - like All Muslims are evil sociopaths ready to blow themselves up to destroy you good Christians!

If you actually believe the above sentence, you need to realize, most Muslims are like most Catholics, honest men and women who love God, and wouldn't do anything like that, and they avoid mad men like the leaders of the Taliban and Al Qeada like the plague, like we avoid madmen like David Koresh.

Second of all,

Have faith in God friend. The glass is half-filled. God has those people who would do something like that in his eyes, and he will recompense those who are truly responsible.

I don't think there will be this huge Muslim Uprising against Catholicism and Rome. Osama Bin Laden, if he is still alive - because it would be hard to hide out if you need Kidney Dialysis three times a week - only has a handful of young men to carry out his bidding. Way to few to lay siege on the Vatican! Give you head a shake!

Third of all,

Want to prevent this 'attack' make Muslim friends, and do what Paul says, when you're with the Muslim, be like the Muslim, so you can win him over to Christ!

Nuff said about world politics.[/quote]
Escuse me missy, I study political science, i'm more then a little aware of how the media is manipulated. I am talking about the extremists who present a very real threat, especially if they follow this wacko's Jihad against Rome, (which seems rather Random, given that the Pope condemned the Muhammod cartoons thing)

On your first point; I am studying Islam in my school's religious education class, I'd really rather not but our RE class is controlled by the school board and not by the Church so go figure. The Muslims who are like most Catholics and wouldn't consider that are, in actuality, bad muslims, the exact same way most Catholics these days tend to be cafeteria Catholics. There is no such equivilence in terms of percentege in Islam. In Islamic countries, the Church IS the State et vice versa, so if an Islamic nation calls Jihad (for whatever reason against whatever foe), you'd be a pretty bad Muslim if you didn't go along with it. And their avoidence of madmen like Al-Quieda is very Muslim of them and warranted. Al-Quieda are Muslim heretics, but what if their nation becomes sympathetic to them?

Second point; I realise that, that doesn't mean I don't fear for other people's lives who may fall because of Jihad. Like that Chaldean ArchBishop in Iraq who was kidnapped and murdered for no reason, and the priest who was killed there recently. Can I not be outraged over this? God's Justice is absolute, but it is our duty to prevent injustice where it occurs, both to prevent the injustice and to prevent the sinner from perpetrating the injustice.

And what makes you think some of the extremist minority won't take the cleric's word seriously? You need only a hand full of young [i]women[/i] to suicide bombs. And Al quieda and te Taliban are not the only extremists about. A siege is not neccesary to bring a city to its knees in the modern world. Look at 9/11, a handfull of young men perpetrated that on an unsuspecting American population and shook the world to its core. If you don't take the threats from extremists seriously you're being naive.

Third point; I already am, well, I've actually grown out of contact with my Muslim friend, but its very hard to convert a Muslim. Their religion is solely fundamentalistly scriptural, less spiritual scripture then say Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy. The only way to convert a Muslim, honestly, if he was a bad muslim, a Muslim who seriously needed help, or you perform a miracle before them. Remember, most Muslims treat the Qua'ran as the very utterance of God, with a hell of alot more ferocity then most Christians treat the Bible. Converting a Muslim would be a special Miracle in itself.

Fourth point; why the hell did you try to attack me with this? I was putting forth a hypothetical situation and its aftermath, then asking you to state who you'd think the world would blame most and why. I wasn't advocating violence against Islam, I just take the extremist's threat seriously.

[Madame Vengier]

BLAME CANADA!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

But cereally, I cast my vote for "blame America". I've no doubt that whatever goes wrong in the world it will somehow (falsely) be traced back to Big Bad Imperialist America. No matter what it is, where it happens, or who the perpetrators are.

It's the trend of the day. And I have something to say about that...but it involves too many unbecoming words and I am a lady!

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='kujo' post='1500148' date='Apr 15 2008, 03:17 PM']I think it's important to draw the distinction between [i]radical[/i] Islam and [i]moderate[/i] Islam. The [i]radicals[/i] do not represent the entire religion, no matter how loud and obnoxious they are.[/quote]

Kujo, you don't study/research Islam much, do you?

The radicals most certainly do represent "pure Islam" and not only that, they have enormous sway over the ones you believe are "moderate". The radicals, as everyone loves to call them, are only following the teachings of the Koran, the Hadith, and the supreme model of Islamic life himself, Mohammed. They are true Muslims, just braver than the so-called "moderates".

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1502642' date='Apr 18 2008, 12:30 PM']BLAME CANADA!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

But cereally, I cast my vote for "blame America". I've no doubt that whatever goes wrong in the world it will somehow (falsely) be traced back to Big Bad Imperialist America. No matter what it is, where it happens, or who the perpetrators are.

It's the trend of the day. And I have something to say about that...but it involves too many unbecoming words and I am a lady![/quote]
I agree, even many of the Americans will somehow blame us. I once had a nun tell me that the reason there are corrupt governments in the world is because the United States made them corrupt.

[Lena]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1502240' date='Apr 17 2008, 10:34 PM']Polls show aound 10% of the world's Muslims would actively support Jihad (when you look at total numbers, this is not an insignificant group). Most of the rest have not said they would oppose it.
Islam teaches that all Christians and Jews are infidels who have rejected Mohammed as The Prophet, and deserve to live in submission to Muslims unless they accept Islam. The goal is Islam is to rule the world. "Islam" means "submission."
That is not the belief of a few extremists, but orthodox Islamic dogma.

This "religion of peace" tripe is pure bs.
The agression of Islamists around the world is well documented.
Check it out: [url="http://jihadwatch.org/"]http://jihadwatch.org/[/url][/quote]

Islam means submission [i]to God[/i], not the way you're using it.