John Kerry Receives Communion At Papal Mass

[thessalonian]

[quote]To confess though and for the confession to be valid, wouldn't they have to have a firm amendment to never commit that sin again? If that was the case then wouldn't they have to change their political position on abortion after Confession?[/quote]

The point is that there is no way of knowing if they did for you and I or the Pope. In 1 Cor 11 Paul requests that the people of Corinth EXAMINE THEMSELVES regarding the Eucharist. Paul in that passage does not say he is going to deny anyone communion or that preists should. Unless one is excommunicated the individual is where the responsibility lies.

Edited April 18, 2008 by thessalonian

[Lil Red]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1502500' date='Apr 18 2008, 06:17 AM']While I understand the sentiments on this thread, it would be difficult even for the Pope to deny him communion unless he is excommunicated. I doudt even the Pope would have had they come up in his line. There is no way of knowing if he has been to confession and repented that day (I am sure they had priests doing confessoin) or that week as they did when I went to a papal Mass in Denver. However sad the sacralidge of our Lord's body and blood are we must remember that that is between Mr. Kerry and Ms. Pelosi and God. God help their souls. I am in favor of them being excommunicated however.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
as far as i know, sen. kerry has excommunicated himself.

[thessalonian]

Unfortunately he does not acknowledge that.

[cmotherofpirl]

God will.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
but it doesn't matter if he "acknowledges" that, right?

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1502666' date='Apr 18 2008, 01:08 PM']+J.M.J.+
but it doesn't matter if he "acknowledges" that, right?[/quote]

I don't think it's possible for the person giving out communion, even the Pope to make a judgement there on the spot except in the rarest of circumstances if that is what you mean. CMP has it right. God is the judge and in the end it will not go well if they do not repent. Again I am highly in favor of many more excommunications and I think Kerry and Pelosi are at the top of the list of those who should be given this disciplinary measure meant for the good of their souls, which they harm through grave sacralidge.

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1502672' date='Apr 18 2008, 01:23 PM']I don't think it's possible for the person giving out communion, even the Pope to make a judgement there on the spot except in the rarest of circumstances if that is what you mean. CMP has it right. God is the judge and in the end it will not go well if they do not repent. Again I am highly in favor of many more excommunications and I think Kerry and Pelosi are at the top of the list of those who should be given this disciplinary measure meant for the good of their souls, which they harm through grave sacralidge.[/quote]

If it was just suppose to be a, "discernment of the individual" kind of thing in regards to pro-choice politicans then why have the Holy Father and a number of other cardinals and bishops said that Communion is not to be given to those politicans who are pro-choice? I have never heard that this is only the case in the rarest of circumstances.

I appreciate your posts, but I think the Holy Father has the right to turn those away he sees fit to turn away - as do Bishops and even priests.

[-I---Love]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1502239' date='Apr 17 2008, 11:33 PM']I kinda wish he had tried to take communion right near the Pope, so Papa Benedict would've laid the smack-down on carp like that![/quote]

He was actually not far from the Holy Father, but seated on the field which was as near to the altar unless you were a Cardinal sitting on or around it.

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1502500' date='Apr 18 2008, 09:17 AM']While I understand the sentiments on this thread, it would be difficult even for the Pope to deny him communion unless he is excommunicated. I doudt even the Pope would have had they come up in his line. There is no way of knowing if he has been to confession and repented that day (I am sure they had priests doing confessoin) or that week as they did when I went to a papal Mass in Denver. However sad the sacralidge of our Lord's body and blood are we must remember that that is between Mr. Kerry and Ms. Pelosi and God. God help their souls. I am in favor of them being excommunicated however.[/quote]

It would not be difficult. He does not meet the prerequisites for receiving Communion; yes there are prerequisites. He excommunicates himself if he indeed upholds abortion for example by voting for it without repentance, etc. Priests may refuse Communion to disrespective people chatting as they walk down the aisle to Communion, or those chewing gum. Voting for abortion also is such a reason for refusal.

One priest has jokingly suggested that one solution is for an unconsecrated host to be w/ the Priest, Extra Min, etc. so that if such a person comes up if they are "afraid to cause a scene" they give the person an unconsecrated one LOL

[Dave]

[quote name='isilzha' post='1502553' date='Apr 18 2008, 10:56 AM']I was slightly impressed that apparently Ted Kennedy didn't present himself for communion.[/quote]

I wish that were true, but I'm afraid Kennedy actually did receive Communion after all.

[quote][b]CORRECTION: Ted Kennedy DID Receive Communion at the Papal Mass
Priest made special trip to give communion to the outspokenly pro-abortion Senator several minutes before everyone else began to receive[/b]

LifeSiteNews reported that Senator Ted Kennedy dutifully did not receive communion during the papal mass at Nationals stadium yesterday. The photographs provided and the observations of the photographer certainly appeared to indicate that. However, LifeSiteNews received a copy of an email from another pro-life person, Daniel J. Skehan, who was near Kennedy at the function.

He wrote,

"Two of my sons and I attended the Papal Mass yesterday. We were seated in section 216, directly above the section in which Ted Kennedy was seated. Several minutes prior to the general distribution of communion a priest walked down to Ted Kennedy and gave him communion. There was some discussion amongst we in our section about the inappropriateness of his reception of the Host. Be certain, he remained seated not out of some self-enforced respect for the sacrament, but rather out of respect for his girth and mobility."

Our photographer friend was of course not focusing on Kennedy at the time and did not expect that he would be given this special advance reception of communion. Organizers of the event did not seem to at all be mindful of the public scandal of this occurence given that they made a special effort the ensure the Senator was given the host despite his very well known lack of communion with the Church on the issues of abortion, homosexuality and other serious moral issues.

We have corrected our original report.

[url="http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08041707.html"]http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08041707.html[/url][/quote]

[johnnydigit]

drop the axe on em! -*if* we are certain they deserve it.

[isilzha]

[quote name='Dave' post='1503484' date='Apr 19 2008, 05:12 PM']I wish that were true, but I'm afraid Kennedy actually did receive Communion after all.[/quote]

Ugh, and here I had suddenly found a slight amount of respect for him.