Dispensing Contraceptives

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kujo' post='1516830' date='May 2 2008, 04:32 PM']I think we are arguing for the same thing, but from different perspectives. I find nothing that you say [i]wrong[/i] but I do look at things differently. Perhaps it's because of the way I think (I am a very logical and scientifically minded person), but I see babies as human beings because of the medical evidence that we've all seen. I believe that God has revealed that information to me in the way that I would understand and take to heart.[/quote]

If we are both arguing laws should be based in the truth of Christian morality, then yes we are arguing the same thing. Which basic foundation is do not kill or harm someone or let them harm themselves. I still do not understand a stance which argues against laws based in morality but for laws based on right and wrong. Someone would easily respond that you can not force your version of "right and wrong" on them. What if there where no medical or scientific evidence, would you argue the illegalization of abortion solely on faith and Church teaching?

[quote name='kujo' post='1516830' date='May 2 2008, 04:32 PM']All the other stuff, about the preciousness of all human life, the immorality of the lifestyle that leads up to needing most abortions...all of that has been revealed and kneeded into my heart over time. I don't disagree with those things, for they are the bedrock of my faith; however, I think that the laws against abortion needn't reflect any more or less morality than our laws against murder.[/quote]

You have to be more clear. Certainly it is more wicked to murder a child than an adult.

[picchick]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1516845' date='May 2 2008, 06:02 PM']You have to be more clear. Certainly it is more wicked to murder a child than an adult.[/quote]

Really?

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1516845' date='May 2 2008, 05:02 PM']You have to be more clear. Certainly it is more wicked to murder a child than an adult.[/quote]

I'm not sure if I agree. When I think of how men are killed for standing against the evils of society, like Abraham Lincoln and John Fitzgerald Kennedy, I get just as angry as hearing about a child who has been raped, murdered, or truly abused.

The fear of the Lord is to hate (don't hate, appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate), appreciate) evil. There is no sin that I don't get angry about. Even a white lie, I get this anger in the spirit that is very powerful.

This is the whole, some sins are greater than other sins stuff, which is an entirely different thread. I would say, I have done some of the most blasphemous things, and I truly feel like I am the least of men for what I have done, but I know all these sins are just sins against the son, and we can ask for forgiveness.

Now, if we were to lie to one with the holy spirit

[quote]But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

6And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

8And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

11And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.[/quote]

Peter hits the nail on the head with one statement. Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost?

To sin against the holy spirit is to give yourself back to Satan and do his will.

For me, I can never go back to something God has already closed the door on. I can't. I could probably quence the holy spirit, but that in itself is a deadly sin. I can never look back on the time small steps God lead me through to reach where I am now. Regreting the past is something foreign to me. Although I plan for my future, I know ultimately it is in God's hands. I live for what is happening right now, because there is nothing else I can live for anymore. Sometimes Lucifer says to me, why do I live as a sacrifice. Wasn't it better when you never knew the way this world worked. Wouldn't it be better to be that good pentecostal you use to be? I admit, if I could go back, the pain and torment I have to go through would be greatly lessened, but at the same time, I would lose my immortal soul. What profitteth a man if he gained the whole world, but lost his soul?

Each time when I heard that message and have that thought, I rebuke it, and plea the blood over my mind and heart again, I know there is only one thing to do, live in this moment and look to the future.

That is the one thing we need to learn, the greatest sin, is the sin of knowing what God's will in your life is, and rejecting that will. You are his, and you should give up on what you want, and give all to him. Then it becomes his pleasure to make sure all the things you give up for him become a reality.

Now I have taken this thread way off topic. Thanks Guys!

Edited May 2, 2008 by JesusIsMySuperHero

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='picchick' post='1516882' date='May 2 2008, 06:07 PM']Really?[/quote]

Both are very wicked, there is no doubt in that. But when someone murders a child... a child... for someone to murder a child. Think of it this way I guess, someone punches a man, someone else punches a baby. One is worse than the other correct?

[picchick]

Oh ok. I get what your saying

I guess I see murder as horrible no matter who or what does it. But when you replace with punch...i get it.