Looking For Church Document

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
I'm reading [u]The Courage to be Catholic[/u] by [i]George Weigel[/i], and he references a document put out in April 1971 by the Vatican's Congregation for the Clergy on "The Washington Case" about Cardinal O'Boyle censuring priests who spoke out publicly against [i]Humanae Vitae[/i]. Any help? Thanks!

[StColette]

Haven't found the statement from the Congregation yet.

This article does speak about it though [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=1209"]http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=1209[/url]

[StColette]

This book on google also gives some info on the statement under Uproar over Humanae Vitae

[url="http://books.google.com/books?id=NiRok8QcSnoC&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=1971+Congregation+for+the+Clergy+'Boyle+statement&source=web&ots=uIXTpi96Sd&sig=kxfS0dqBZxfUFIENc58qm37wHc8&hl=en#PPA65,M1"]http://books.google.com/books?id=NiRok8QcS...;hl=en#PPA65,M1[/url]

This book on page 274 speaks more about what Cardinal Wright said in response to Cardinal O'Boyle. If I read it correctly Cardinal Wright, head of the Congregation of the Clergy at the time, had O'Boyle lift the suspension off of the Washington Diocese priests that had protested. But he somehow did so in a way that would not contradict Humanae Vitae or Canon Law

[url="http://books.google.com/books?id=31-_B3EaBskC&pg=PA274&lpg=PA274&dq=1971+Congregation+for+the+Clergy+'Boyle+statement&source=web&ots=uMZYZYGOwT&sig=i_uRM98o_TUV0TJ-WrdrDYoTC0s&hl=en"]http://books.google.com/books?id=31-_B3EaB...oTC0s&hl=en[/url]

Edited April 30, 2008 by StColette

[thessalonian]

Not sure if this is what you want. It's april 1971 and does say they have a responsibility to teach HV.

[url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/rc_con_cclergy_doc_11041971_gcat_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congrega...71_gcat_en.html[/url]

[Lil Red]

[quote name='StColette' post='1515288' date='Apr 30 2008, 02:25 PM']This book on google also gives some info on the statement under Uproar over Humanae Vitae

[url="http://books.google.com/books?id=NiRok8QcSnoC&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=1971+Congregation+for+the+Clergy+'Boyle+statement&source=web&ots=uIXTpi96Sd&sig=kxfS0dqBZxfUFIENc58qm37wHc8&hl=en#PPA65,M1"]http://books.google.com/books?id=NiRok8QcS...;hl=en#PPA65,M1[/url]

This book on page 274 speaks more about what Cardinal Wright said in response to Cardinal O'Boyle. If I read it correctly Cardinal Wright, head of the Congregation of the Clergy at the time, had O'Boyle lift the suspension off of the Washington Diocese priests that had protested. But he somehow did so in a way that would not contradict Humanae Vitae or Canon Law

[url="http://books.google.com/books?id=31-_B3EaBskC&pg=PA274&lpg=PA274&dq=1971+Congregation+for+the+Clergy+'Boyle+statement&source=web&ots=uMZYZYGOwT&sig=i_uRM98o_TUV0TJ-WrdrDYoTC0s&hl=en"]http://books.google.com/books?id=31-_B3EaB...oTC0s&hl=en[/url][/quote]
+J.M.J.+
unfortunately, both of those are from "liberal" theologians, so i don't really trust them. thank you for looking though.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote name='StColette' post='1515283' date='Apr 30 2008, 02:21 PM']Haven't found the statement from the Congregation yet.

This article does speak about it though [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=1209"]http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=1209[/url][/quote]thanks, i hadn't yet seen that one.
[quote name='thessalonian' post='1515295' date='Apr 30 2008, 02:35 PM']Not sure if this is what you want. It's april 1971 and does say they have a responsibility to teach HV.

[url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/rc_con_cclergy_doc_11041971_gcat_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congrega...71_gcat_en.html[/url][/quote]
no, i don't think that's it.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I don't know the source, but I know someone who could find out. The whole history of the catechetics program at FUS centers on this controversy (the founder of the program having been a student of the priest who upheld Humane Vitae and was run off from CUA by the liberal theologians who rejected HV). Incidentally, his just anger over being ridiculed for his orthodoxy led him to found an institute that gradually evolved into FUS's catechetics program.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I can't really find anything...even searched the website of the Congregation for the Clergy.

How important is this? I could probably find the answer, but I'd have to ask a busy professor...

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1515652' date='Apr 30 2008, 10:08 PM']I don't know the source, but I know someone who could find out. The whole history of the catechetics program at FUS centers on this controversy (the founder of the program having been a student of the priest who upheld Humane Vitae and was run off from CUA by the liberal theologians who rejected HV). Incidentally, his just anger over being ridiculed for his orthodoxy led him to found an institute that gradually evolved into FUS's catechetics program.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
whoa!

[quote name='Raphael' post='1515672' date='Apr 30 2008, 10:40 PM']I can't really find anything...even searched the website of the Congregation for the Clergy.

How important is this? I could probably find the answer, but I'd have to ask a busy professor...[/quote]
well, i think pretty important. my priest and i just finished reading the document (because it is so important, especially today), and we're trying to get a good handle on the controversy surrounding it. i would so appreciate it! i'll shoot you an address to have a copy of it mailed, if possible. God bless you!

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1516106' date='May 1 2008, 04:31 PM']+J.M.J.+
whoa!
well, i think pretty important. my priest and i just finished reading the document (because it is so important, especially today), and we're trying to get a good handle on the controversy surrounding it. i would so appreciate it! i'll shoot you an address to have a copy of it mailed, if possible. God bless you![/quote]
Oh, the controversy is quite intriguing. The priest who upheld HV was Msgr. Eugene Kevane (may God grant him eternal peace). In the 1960's, there were a bunch of theologians who were against the Church's teaching on contraception. When Paul VI said he would take it into advisement, those theologians expected him to overturn the doctrine and told the press. By the time HV was promulgated, most American Catholic theologians were already teaching that contraception had been (or imminently would be) approved by the Vatican. The liberal theologians had all kind of centered around CUA because [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Curran_%28theologian%29"]Charles Curran[/url] was there, leading the pro-contraception movement. When HV was finally promulgated, he and the liberal theologians wrote a public letter of dissent. One priest, Msgr. Eugene Kevane, opposed their letter. They destroyed his personal reputation, ridiculed him for his orthodoxy, and sent him packing. Using the little money his family had, he founded the Notre Dame Catechetical Institute in Virginia (Fairfax, I believe), where he taught Barbara Morgan and Sr. M. Johanna Paruch (the person I'll email the question to). Morgan went on to start teaching catechetics at FUS, eventually developing it into a minor under theology, then a separate major, then an entire program. She retired just as I was coming in (I met her once; she advised me on my schedule before retiring...the guy currently in charge of the program is Ronald Bolster, a former student of hers). She just recently co-authored a book, [url="http://www.ignatius.com/ViewProduct.aspx?SID=1&Product_ID=3271&AFID=12&"]The Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Craft of Catechesis[/url], together with representatives from what are considered the other two leading catechetical schools in the world, the Maryvale Institute in England and Notre Dame de Vie in France. Anyway, I'm saying all this to show what legacy the controversy had on the positive side...there are several hundred well-trained catechists who owe their work to Msgr. Kevane and, indirectly, to Humanae Vitae.

So, in short...I'll send the good sister an email. Not sure how long it will take to get an answer.

God bless,

Micah

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Okay, I asked her. We'll see what she says.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
God love ya!

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
raph, any word?

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1515255' date='Apr 30 2008, 04:51 PM']+J.M.J.+
I'm reading [u]The Courage to be Catholic[/u] by [i]George Weigel[/i], and he references a document put out in April 1971 by the Vatican's Congregation for the Clergy on "The Washington Case" about Cardinal O'Boyle censuring priests who spoke out publicly against [i]Humanae Vitae[/i]. Any help? Thanks![/quote]
Can you type out the exact reference or footnote? Maybe that will help us find it.