Something Biblical And Scientific To Rebut The Big Bang Theory

[dairygirl4u2c]

as kujo said, it was a cliche, a figure of speech. i thought it more analogous than not. you have valid points for why you think it's not valid, but i disagree that it can't be used. i disagree that i was twisting the scripture, given that i recognize the limits of how it's used etc, and now that you understand how i used it, i would think you wouldn't think me twisting it, but if you continue to think that, that's a reasonable take too.
*insert various other disclaimers*

i defy you to show where i twisted scripture's before. you've said i was doing it again, and if that's the case that you think i did it before.... then the only one twisting them is you.

Edited May 19, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1532295' date='May 18 2008, 01:10 PM']I'm not going to get into a debate with you about creationism vs evolution, but I will say that your theology here is extremely dangerous to the Catholic Church, and your immortal soul. You equated the natural sciences with the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit. They most certainly do not compare. The former is based solely on current human observation, while the latter is based on the unchangeable truths revealed by God. Your philosophy/theology sounds like something from the Enlightenment, and that is very, very hazardous to your soul. I will pray for you, my friend.[/quote]
No its not, its perfectly Catholic - He is not stating that science is one of "THE 7 Gifts of the Holy Spirit", but like all good gifts is part of God's Creation. There is only one Truth, and using our minds to study Creation is using the intelligence God gave us.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1534160' date='May 19 2008, 08:54 PM']No its not, its perfectly Catholic - He is not stating that science is one of "THE 7 Gifts of the Holy Spirit", but like all good gifts is part of God's Creation. There is only one Truth, and using our minds to study Creation is using the intelligence God gave us.[/quote]

What if you don't trust your own intelligence?

I'm dumb compared to God, and I've been tested to having the highest level of fluid reasoning that science can test a human being at!

[cmotherofpirl]

'JesusIsMySuperHero states'
One, Eugenicists use Evolution to say, these people are less fit, because that family has a lot of thieves, who are always out of work, lets make sure they don't breed because they are less fit.

Second, New Age Eugenicists will say, we have to make sure this baby is doesn't have that genetic disease, so lets change it in the womb. We're helping that infant.

[color="#0000FF"]Eugenics in not the topic we are discussing evolution.[/color]

It gives people a lot of power over life, power only God should have.
[color="#0000FF"]
Evolution is a theory and goves no power to anyone, it simply explains part of the process of God's Creation.[/color]


The fact people believe in Evolution gives some abortion doctors the ability to murder people in the womb, because that embryo isn't human yet!
[color="#4169E1"]Evolution says nothing about the humanity of an unborn baby.[/color]
There is a lot of evil that the belief of Evolution has been used for. Name one thing that the belief of Evolution has done to benefit mankind?

[color="#4169E1"]It explains something we already were doing for thousands of years - changing plants and animals for our own benefit.[/color]

Then name the benefits of Creationism. If I was created, and everything else was created, then everything is equally fit before God, and therefore we should do all we can to help each other, share with each other, as we are all one people under God!

[color="#4169E1"]Creationism creates a false dicotomy between faith and science which in reality does not exist. [/color]

This whole Evolution versus Creationism stuff don't jive. One says the more fit exploit the less fit to survive, and the other says those with ability should help those without ability to help each other. Two exclusive ideas and philosophies. So I reject the first, and let those who believe that nonsense continue to believe it, while standing tall and say, I will never accept that philosophy and beliefs.

[color="#4169E1"]Your right it doesn't. Creationism as commonly understood is based on a fallacy that science and faith are opposed. Plants and animals do compete to survive, but humans are neither and always have the ability to love one another and care for one another. You create difficulties where none exist by confusing too many concepts into one pretend amalgamation to which you then claim objections.[/color]

[color="#4169E1"]You then have the audacity to question our faith and judge us claiming an exclusive relationship to the Holy Spirit, as if you can confine the Trinity to yourself.
Budge, there is a log giving you difficulty, maybe you should consider removing it.[/color]

[dairygirl4u2c]

is JIMSH the same person as Budge was? Cmother's last post would make me think it, her last sentence.
they do share some interesting similarities now that i think about it.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1534214' date='May 19 2008, 11:33 PM']is JIMSH the same person as Budge was? Cmother's last post would make me think it, her last sentence.
they do share some interesting similarities now that i think about it.[/quote]
Names may change but tactics and arguments remain the same...

[dairygirl4u2c]

i thought budge was a girl, and JIMSH was a guy? the confusion is augmented, by the fact that i always thought budge was a guy at first, and i continually made the same mistake even after being told he, i mean she was a girl.
i'm confused, but nothing new under the sun.

Edited May 20, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1534232' date='May 19 2008, 09:42 PM']Names may change but tactics and arguments remain the same...[/quote]

I know who Budge is, but I'm not Budge.

The fact I asked a girl on this message board to go out with me should be case enough to know that I am not Budge, unless, of course I turned Lesbian!

Edited May 20, 2008 by JesusIsMySuperHero

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1534183' date='May 19 2008, 09:17 PM']'JesusIsMySuperHero states'
One, Eugenicists use Evolution to say, these people are less fit, because that family has a lot of thieves, who are always out of work, lets make sure they don't breed because they are less fit.

Second, New Age Eugenicists will say, we have to make sure this baby is doesn't have that genetic disease, so lets change it in the womb. We're helping that infant.

[color="#0000FF"]Eugenics in not the topic we are discussing evolution.[/color]

It gives people a lot of power over life, power only God should have.
[color="#0000FF"]
Evolution is a theory and goves no power to anyone, it simply explains part of the process of God's Creation.[/color]
The fact people believe in Evolution gives some abortion doctors the ability to murder people in the womb, because that embryo isn't human yet!
[color="#4169E1"]Evolution says nothing about the humanity of an unborn baby.[/color]
There is a lot of evil that the belief of Evolution has been used for. Name one thing that the belief of Evolution has done to benefit mankind?

[color="#4169E1"]It explains something we already were doing for thousands of years - changing plants and animals for our own benefit.[/color]

Then name the benefits of Creationism. If I was created, and everything else was created, then everything is equally fit before God, and therefore we should do all we can to help each other, share with each other, as we are all one people under God!

[color="#4169E1"]Creationism creates a false dicotomy between faith and science which in reality does not exist. [/color]

This whole Evolution versus Creationism stuff don't jive. One says the more fit exploit the less fit to survive, and the other says those with ability should help those without ability to help each other. Two exclusive ideas and philosophies. So I reject the first, and let those who believe that nonsense continue to believe it, while standing tall and say, I will never accept that philosophy and beliefs.

[color="#4169E1"]Your right it doesn't. Creationism as commonly understood is based on a fallacy that science and faith are opposed. Plants and animals do compete to survive, but humans are neither and always have the ability to love one another and care for one another. You create difficulties where none exist by confusing too many concepts into one pretend amalgamation to which you then claim objections.[/color]

[color="#4169E1"]You then have the audacity to question our faith and judge us claiming an exclusive relationship to the Holy Spirit, as if you can confine the Trinity to yourself.
Budge, there is a log giving you difficulty, maybe you should consider removing it.[/color][/quote]

I think KoC has a great relationship with the holy spirit. I think Picchick has a great relationship with the holy spirit. I think there are quite a few people here that have the holy spirit, so it's not exclusive. I think you're jealous that I can take 'irrational' stands on the basis of faith alone. Jealousy is not a gift from the spirit, and actually, when you read a bible, Jealousy of other people's gifts is considered unwise, and the works of a carnal minded person!

Considering you think I am Budge, it shows your spiritual discernment is really low. . .

If it is really low in that concern, hmmm, you might be wrong about a lot of things!

[Adrestia]

JIMSH,

Let's say, for sake of argument, that someone attempted to use Holy Scripture to defend their immoral behavior. How would that affect your view of Holy Scripture?

People who considered themselves "good Christians" used Holy Scripture to defend slavery in this country for generations! Many anti-Christian people and groups today still contend that Christianity is bad or wrong because of their misinterpretation of Holy Scripture.


The point that I am trying to make is that humans inject their own agendas when interpreting data. That does not affect the data. The Truth in Holy Scripture is not altered in any way by misinterpretation.


What does this have to do with the topic at hand?

First, let me point out that I am [i]not[/i] attempting to equate any scientific theory with Holy Scripture. Holy Scripture is a divinely inspired gift to us from the Almighty. The Bible contains everlasting truths.

Scientific theories are based on a limited understanding of observations and measurements. They, by themselves, have no intrinsic value - people choose how to view them. A Eugenicist may choose to say that "theory X" defends his evil stance. Does that make "theory X" evil?

----

I am a scientist because of God. My studies have only strengthened my faith. The more I learn about physics, biochemistry, molecular biology, cell biology, physiology and embryology, the more I know that God is real and active. If scientific knowledge is an island, the shoreline represents the unanswered questions. The larger the island, the larger the shoreline. The more we learn, the more we realize how little we know.

There are people who think that science can replace religion. They want to say that science disproves Holy Scripture. They are wrong, they are deceived. In reality, science can only be in harmony with God since God created everything.

"Good and upright is the LORD, who shows sinners the way, guides the humble rightly, and teaches the humble the way. (Psalm 25:8-9)"

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='JesusIsMySuperHero' post='1534404' date='May 20 2008, 01:43 AM']I think KoC has a great relationship with the holy spirit. I think Picchick has a great relationship with the holy spirit. I think there are quite a few people here that have the holy spirit, so it's not exclusive. I think you're jealous that I can take 'irrational' stands on the basis of faith alone. Jealousy is not a gift from the spirit, and actually, when you read a bible, Jealousy of other people's gifts is considered unwise, and the works of a carnal minded person!

Considering you think I am Budge, it shows your spiritual discernment is really low. . .

If it is really low in that concern, hmmm, you might be wrong about a lot of things![/quote]
God however, is not irrational.
and again you are not qualified to decide who the Holy Spirit has a relationship with, and bragging is not listed among the virtues. You sound like budge, your tactics are budge, so you might as well be "budge jr".
If you ever come up with a virtue I could be jealous of, I will surely let you know. .

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]If you ever come up with a virtue I could be jealous of, I will surely let you know. .[/quote]

wham bam thank you ma'am.

i feel no jeolousy... i feel only sadness for him, fear for his relationship with God given that he's pretty much blaspheming truth, and thereby blaspheming God. i do not have jeolousy for someone so pathetic in the ways of discerning truth, and God.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1534854' date='May 20 2008, 04:02 PM']wham bam thank you ma'am.

i feel no jeolousy... i feel only sadness for him, fear for his relationship with God given that he's pretty much blaspheming truth, and thereby blaspheming God. i do not have jeolousy for someone so pathetic in the ways of discerning truth, and God.[/quote]
Agreed. THere is no pleasure or joy in seeing a someone who remakes God in his own human image.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1534854' date='May 20 2008, 02:02 PM']wham bam thank you ma'am.

i feel no jeolousy... i feel only sadness for him, fear for his relationship with God given that he's pretty much blaspheming truth, and thereby blaspheming God. i do not have jeolousy for someone so pathetic in the ways of discerning truth, and God.[/quote]

LOL!

I am Blaspheming God! I am Budge Jr! LOL!

Hey, the Lord said he made the world in 6 days, who am I to interpret!

The fact you are twisting Scriptures about a day is a thousand years and yes, God would have told me in the middle of a post if I was right or wrong, so yes - I can say you don't hear the voice of the Lord because you called me Budge, whom I am not.

No matter what, you have just discredited yourself.

A false prophet is anybody who gets one thing wrong, according to God's word. The fact Cmom has gotten one thing wrong - that I am Budge, pretty much shows she's a false prophet! Deal!

Edited May 21, 2008 by JesusIsMySuperHero

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='JesusIsMySuperHero' post='1535428' date='May 20 2008, 11:01 PM']LOL!

I am Blaspheming God! I am Budge Jr! LOL!

Hey, the Lord said he made the world in 6 days, who am I to interpret!

The fact you are twisting Scriptures about a day is a thousand years and yes, God would have told me in the middle of a post if I was right or wrong, so yes - I can say you don't hear the voice of the Lord because you called me Budge, whom I am not.

No matter what, you have just discredited yourself.

A false prophet is anybody who gets one thing wrong, according to God's word. The fact Cmom has gotten one thing wrong - that I am Budge, pretty much shows she's a false prophet! Deal![/quote]
I am not trying to prophesize and I certainly don't claim to hear voices as you do, I am just pointing out your tactics are consistant with budgism. You claim to know in whom the Holy Spirit dwells, so you are claiming to be God, who alone knows our thoughts words, deeds, and intent. THat is delusion at best and great sin at worst.

[Adrestia]

JIMSH,

Do you also take John chapter 6 literally?

[Alycin]

JIMSH,

Dude. I was trying to have sympathy for you, but, seriously. God tells you in the middle of a post if you're right or wrong?

Please.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1535544' date='May 20 2008, 09:59 PM']I certainly don't claim to hear voices[/quote]

I don't hear voices. I feel a pit in my stomach, but I don't hear voices.

And I don't claim to know everything God knows either. I just know what feels right and what feels wrong in the spirit.

I'll give you a thought here.

There was this cute girl at work, that I thought, hey, why not ask her out. But before I do that, I ask God in a silent five second prayer to see if he's okay with it. I get this pit in my stomach about it, and I say - okay, I wont. For about a year now, I've been fighting witches and other Occultists, and so I have some information on how to determine if some practices witchcraft, as they usually do something to ensure other occultists can identify themselves to them. Well guess what, that lunch, she sits down at the same table I was sitting at during lunch, talking to friend, and low and behold, she has one of the identifying marks of a Occultist!

Wow, from a moment in prayer, where God warned me, to a moment in praise that he saved me from months, even years of trouble!

Ponder that for a moment!

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1535572' date='May 20 2008, 10:16 PM']JIMSH,

Dude. I was trying to have sympathy for you, but, seriously. God tells you in the middle of a post if you're right or wrong?

Please.[/quote]

If I go to an extreme he doesn't want me to go down, yes. It isn't voices in the head though, more like my concious telling me that I shouldn't go that far.

I've modified a lot of my posts because they were too cruel, and were more about human emotion than God would prefer.

Or would you have be totally cruel and calious towards people?

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1535544' date='May 20 2008, 09:59 PM']I am not trying to prophesize and I certainly don't claim to hear voices as you do, I am just pointing out your tactics are consistant with budgism. You claim to know in whom the Holy Spirit dwells, so you are claiming to be God, who alone knows our thoughts words, deeds, and intent. THat is delusion at best and great sin at worst.[/quote]

Cmom,

before we go any further, I will apologize to you. I took this whole you calling me Budge nonsense too far. You're not prefect, and made a huge error, and I capitalized on it, because it made me laugh a lot, and I figured I would have fun at our expense. It was wrong.

I don't know who has the holy spirit, except by knowing their fruits. I am friends with a quiet a few people on this board, that I trust and believe to have the holy spirit. Do I know for certain, no, of course not. But I trust the still small voice (that means it isn't an audible voice - more like your concious and instincts and emotions) to determine who I should trust and who I shouldn't.

I know for a fact, you're not listening to the holy spirit, but you're not my enemy either. My enemies wouldn't be incorrect, they would say who I was, and cause an uproar as to who I am, if they called me out directly. You are well meaning, but incorrect. It happens. I make mistakes, you make mistakes, everybody makes mistakes, and we will, as a species make billions upon billions of mistakes before God creates a new Heaven and a new Earth!

On the other hand, I have first hand experience n how Witches and other occultists behave, and I have an understanding on how their world works, as I have many friends who are druids, witches, wiccans, and other occultists, and you'd be amazed by how infiltrated our socieities and religions have become as evil pieces of filth get into places of power. Let me fight those on this board who are not what the appear to be, because they will always say one thing but their fruit is evident! They always like playing God.

Edited May 21, 2008 by JesusIsMySuperHero