Selah Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 [quote]thought: if you had to suffer 1 million years in purgatory for another soul, would you[/quote] Oh golly. I would hope that I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone _ Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 [quote name='Selah' post='1654944' date='Sep 13 2008, 07:11 PM']Oh golly. I would hope that I could.[/quote] If you wouldn't, do you really think you deserve Heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Trick question. Love your Shrodinger avatar, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone _ Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1655167' date='Sep 14 2008, 12:46 AM']Trick question. Love your Shrodinger avatar, btw.[/quote] Thanks. I think it's pretty much proof that I'm a nerd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 [quote name='mortify' post='1537975' date='May 22 2008, 08:58 PM']What do you think?[/quote] i think Purgatory exist! not only is there scriptural evidence but it makes sense if you have not been good enough for Heaven but don't deserve Hell then you go to a middle place where eventually you will go to heaven! And while you may feel pain i have also heard that there is a sense of peace because you are on your way to see God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted September 17, 2008 Author Share Posted September 17, 2008 How can atheists go to purgatory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 [quote]How can atheists go to purgatory?[/quote] I suppose if they respond to God's call at the hour of death...but then, they wouldn't be atheists anymore...hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 [quote name='mortify' post='1656989' date='Sep 16 2008, 07:17 PM']How can atheists go to purgatory? [/quote] I think a feral child defines invincible ignorance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1657057' date='Sep 16 2008, 09:16 PM']I think a feral child defines invincible ignorance... [/quote] God writes in every mans heart that He exist, atheists can not claim invincible ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1657063' date='Sep 16 2008, 08:36 PM']God writes in every mans heart that He exist, atheists can not claim invincible ignorance.[/quote] Don't change what I said. I'm talking about feral children. Maybe they have some feeling of that call... I'm sure they do. They don't think like 'normal' people though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1657069' date='Sep 16 2008, 08:43 PM']Don't change what I said. I'm talking about feral children. Maybe they have some feeling of that call... I'm sure they do. They don't think like 'normal' people though.[/quote] Ah as I understood it you where applying feral to atheists since you replied to morts post. Yet God writes the truth of His existence in every mans heart. Being saved on invincible ignorance is absolutely no guarantee, only a big ol maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1657078' date='Sep 16 2008, 08:53 PM']Ah as I understood it you where applying feral to atheists since you replied to morts post. Yet God writes the truth of His existence in every mans heart. Being saved on invincible ignorance is absolutely no guarantee, only a big ol maybe...[/quote] Sorry, should have been clearer. All I meant is that a feral child will be... sort of an atheist. Since they quite clearly do not think the same way we do. They would likely have no belief system, or else a very primal nature based system of superstitions. Well anyway, we know that invincible ignorance is quite possible. We also know that by definition, a feral child will be invincibly ignorant. From that we can quite safely assume that a feral child can be saved as truly as a Catholic. It's as much of a maybe as our own salvation. We do our best, God will meet us as far as we can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1657100' date='Sep 16 2008, 10:09 PM']Sorry, should have been clearer. All I meant is that a feral child will be... sort of an atheist. Since they quite clearly do not think the same way we do. They would likely have no belief system, or else a very primal nature based system of superstitions. Well anyway, we know that invincible ignorance is quite possible. We also know that by definition, a feral child will be invincibly ignorant. From that we can quite safely assume that a feral child can be saved as truly as a Catholic. It's as much of a maybe as our own salvation. We do our best, God will meet us as far as we can go. [/quote] Those outside of the Church lack the graces which God requires for salvation. If God saves those outside the Church, it is only because of His mercy, again no promises are made by God that invincible ignorance will save, and there is move evidence that He would not save such souls. Edited September 17, 2008 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1657117' date='Sep 16 2008, 09:17 PM']Those outside of the Church lack the graces which God requires for salvation. If God saves those outside the Church, it is only because of His mercy, again no promise are made by God, and there is move evidence that He would not save such souls.[/quote] Well just to nitpick, anyone God saves is saved by His mercy. It's not as if we deserve it. I'm not saying this is a common occurence... after all, neither are feral children, but like feral children, it can (and personally I believe it does sometimes) happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1657127' date='Sep 16 2008, 09:24 PM']Well just to nitpick, anyone God saves is saved by His mercy. It's not as if we deserve it. I'm not saying this is a common occurence... after all, neither are feral children, but like feral children, it can (and personally I believe it does sometimes) happen.[/quote] God gives His people promises that if they remain with Him, in the Church until the end of the lives in the state of grace, the will be saved, while this sits on the mercy of God it is very different than those outside the Church who have no such promises, who also lack the graces. It is possible but we have no way in knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now