Should Pope John Paul Ii Be Canonized?

[Saint_Gemma_Galgani]

Should Pope John Paul II be canonized?

[cmotherofpirl]

John Paul the Great will eventually be canonized.

[IrishSalesian]

How could a man that so exemplified holiness, not be canonized?

[CatherineM]

I'm pretty sure he will be canonized. Whether he should or not, I'm just glad that I'm not the one making those decisions.

[kujo]

Who voted know and didn't have the stones to explain why?

[Mercy me]

I think he will eventually be canonized. However, the process should be the same for him as it is for others. I don't doubt that the requisite miracles due to him intervention will come.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Saint_Gemma_Galgani' post='1553196' date='Jun 1 2008, 06:02 PM']Should Pope John Paul II be canonized?[/quote]

no

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='kujo' post='1553680' date='Jun 1 2008, 09:15 PM']Who voted know and didn't have the stones to explain why? [/quote]

me. because the OP didn't ask why. just asked yes or no. And I already got out all the rebellion I can muster in the lame board thread. I don't have the "stones" to have a mod yell at me, which is what explaining my answer would result in

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Mercy me' post='1553960' date='Jun 2 2008, 04:43 AM']I think he will eventually be canonized. However, the process should be the same for him as it is for others. I don't doubt that the requisite miracles due to him intervention will come.[/quote]

[Didacus]

JP the Great is already holy, its just a question of the Church on earth to go through its procedures and declare it to be so.

To that I have no a glimpse of doubt.




Forever my papa!

[cathoholic_anonymous]

I expect that he will be canonised. I can't say whether he ought or not to be, as I'm not a part of the proceedings. Such a decision takes a long time to reach and is always made carefully.

We should bear in mind that not all saints are canonised - the canonisations represent the comparatively small number of saints who are known by name to the Church. Still others have lived and died in total obscurity. The canonisation does not 'make' the saint. The Church doesn't create saints. She can't. God creates saints.

[thessalonian]

This is in debate?

[Didacus]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1554090' date='Jun 2 2008, 07:14 AM']I expect that he will be canonised. I can't say whether he ought or not to be, as I'm not a part of the proceedings. Such a decision takes a long time to reach and is always made carefully.

We should bear in mind that not all saints are canonised - the canonisations represent the comparatively small number of saints who are known by name to the Church. Still others have lived and died in total obscurity. The canonisation does not 'make' the saint. The Church doesn't create saints. She can't. God creates saints.[/quote]

i agree. The Church does not make the Saint when she declares someone to be a saint, She simply coonfirms holiness given by God.

[Veridicus]

All good things in their proper time and with proper procedure.

[LouisvilleFan]

I voted "No" because we don't have three miracles scientifically verified and documented to come by his intercession.

Edited June 2, 2008 by LouisvilleFan

[kujo]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1554067' date='Jun 2 2008, 03:06 AM']me. because the OP didn't ask why. just asked yes or no. And I already got out all the rebellion I can muster in the lame board thread. I don't have the "stones" to have a mod yell at me, which is what explaining my answer would result in [/quote]

Thank you. I would be the first person to defend you if a mod started yelling at you for giving your opinion. But, if you would rather not suffer the inconvenience, would you mind PMing me? I'd really like to know your views. And I apologize if my "stones" comment was rude.

[prose]

I voted null vote because I won't be verifying the miracles.

You don't get canonized just for being holy.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='kujo' post='1554525' date='Jun 2 2008, 01:05 PM']Thank you. I would be the first person to defend you if a mod started yelling at you for giving your opinion. But, if you would rather not suffer the inconvenience, would you mind PMing me? I'd really like to know your views. And I apologize if my "stones" comment was rude.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
God bless you, kujo. i'm sure goldenchild is referring to the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?act=boardrules"]phorum guideline[/url] about Catholic vs. Catholic debate.
[quote]Catholic vs Catholic Debate
A post or comment that results in doctrinal debates that might cause scandal among the faithful. *Effective immediately, any negative criticism of religious or the current Magisterium will result in deletion, and a warning from the moderators. This includes but is not limited to criticism of the Novus Ordo mass and/or our Holy Father.[/quote]
d.USt has instituted a strict ban on the trad/modernist talk. the reasoning behind this being that he doesn't think it is good for phatmass to have those debates here, since we do have younger members that may not be grounded enough in their faith to be able to tell where the 'line' is, so to speak.

[kujo]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1554689' date='Jun 2 2008, 05:21 PM']+J.M.J.+
God bless you, kujo. i'm sure goldenchild is referring to the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?act=boardrules"]phorum guideline[/url] about Catholic vs. Catholic debate.

d.USt has instituted a strict ban on the trad/modernist talk. the reasoning behind this being that he doesn't think it is good for phatmass to have those debates here, since we do have younger members that may not be grounded enough in their faith to be able to tell where the 'line' is, so to speak.[/quote]

Oh. Can we have this debate via PM? Or would it be best to take it completely off the site?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='kujo' post='1554694' date='Jun 2 2008, 02:25 PM']Oh. Can we have this debate via PM? Or would it be best to take it completely off the site?[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
if you'd like to talk with goldenchild about it via PM, i have no problem with it, as it is private, but not sure if goldenchild does have pm capabilities. so you might have to take it to emails. God bless you.