Paladin D Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25398121/"]HIV resurges in men who have sex with men[/url] [b][i]Cases climb 12 percent among group of U.S. boys and men ages 13 to 24[/b][/i] [quote]A new analysis of HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men points to a troubling increase in new cases among young men, U.S. health officials reported Thursday. Public health experts use the term "men who have sex with men," or MSM, because many of these men are not strictly homosexual or even bisexual. Between 2001 and 2006, male-to-male sex was the largest HIV transmission category in the U.S., and the only one associated with an increasing number of HIV/AIDS diagnoses, according to a report from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The jump was highest — an increase of 12.4 percent — among boys and men between the ages of 13 and 24 years who had sex with other males, particularly among ethnic minorities. "To reduce transmission of HIV among MSM of all races/ethnicities, prevention strategies should be strengthened, improved, and implemented more broadly," CDC health officials wrote in their Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Testing is important, they add, because "after persons become aware that they are HIV positive, most reduce their high-risk sexual behavior." The report describes trends in diagnoses of HIV/AIDS in 33 states that have confidential, name-based HIV case reporting. Of 214,379 diagnoses during the study period, 46 percent were among MSM. The rate of new diagnoses declined in all other transmission categories — injection drug use, high-risk heterosexual contact, and other routes of transmission. Among all MSM, the estimated annual percentage change was 1.5 percent, the great majority of which involved the 13 to 24 year age group. Among racial/ethnic groups, the annual increase in the number of diagnoses among MSM was highest among Asian/Pacific Islanders at 12.1 percent, followed by a 3.6 percent rate among American Indians/Alaska Natives; however, these two groups accounted for fewer than 1 percent of all diagnoses made during the study period. The annual increase was 1.9 percent among both African Americans and Hispanics, and 0.7 percent among Caucasians. In MSM younger than age 25, African Americans bore the greatest burden with 7,658 new diagnoses (annual rate of change of 15 percent), followed by 3,221 new cases among Caucasians (9 percent annual increase) and 2,422 new cases among Hispanics (8 percent). June 27 is National HIV Testing Day. To address the disproportionately high rate of HIV infection among blacks, the CDC has increased the number of testing sites in 23 geographic areas with the largest number of HIV cases. A list of testing sites is available at www.hivtest.org.[/quote]
Maggyie Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Paladin D' post='1584447' date='Jun 27 2008, 12:22 AM']Public health experts use the term "men who have sex with men," or MSM, because many of these men are not strictly homosexual or even bisexual.[/quote] This part confuses me. I guess these guys are just "experimenting" and so don't fall into the category of homosexual? When I saw the term MSM I almost fell off my chair because in the circles I move in, that acronym refers to "mainstream media," not... men who have sex with men.
picchick Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Maggie' post='1584541' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:57 AM']This part confuses me. I guess these guys are just "experimenting" and so don't fall into the category of homosexual? When I saw the term MSM I almost fell off my chair because in the circles I move in, that acronym refers to "mainstream media," not... men who have sex with men.[/quote] yeah....I betcha it would be politically incorrect to say homosexual. However, I surprised that this is new to the media... meg
Justin86 Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 I don't know how true it is, but some very smart people have told me that actual cases of HIV resulting from heterosexual contact are minimal at best. It is mostly occurs in men that have sex with men, apparently.
Aloysius Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 I don't know about the stats on that, but it is true that anal sex of any sort increases the risk... things weren't meant to go that way so there's tissue tearing that creates open wounds through which the virus can get in more directly. the "MSM" term is actually a better term according to Catholic principals than "homosexual" is, as it doesn't define the person but simply describes their actions.
Justin86 Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1584573' date='Jun 27 2008, 04:43 PM']I don't know about the stats on that, but it is true that anal sex of any sort increases the risk... things weren't meant to go that way so there's tissue tearing that creates open wounds through which the virus can get in more directly.[/quote] Virus' also thrive in dark, warm, and moist areas of which the anus is a perfect example of. Gay men are also likely to have anal sex more frequently then any other group, for obvious reasons.
RandomProddy Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Justin86' post='1584588' date='Jun 27 2008, 11:26 AM']Virus' also thrive in dark, warm, and moist areas of which the anus is a perfect example of.[/quote] That's not the first place I thought of. (freshly baked bread!!)
Galloglasses Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 I don't want to sound homophobic here, but the Lesbian/Gay Community in America really does have a high percentege of HIV cases. Considering its a minority, that high percentege is scary.
Justin86 Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Galloglasses' post='1584663' date='Jun 27 2008, 10:32 PM']I don't want to sound homophobic here, but the Lesbian/Gay Community in America really does have a high percentege of HIV cases. Considering its a minority, that high percentege is scary.[/quote] Yeah, I've read reports that claim by 2010 50% of gay men in the US will have HIV. Not sure how accurate that prediction is but still, yikes!
Justin86 Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='RandomProddy' post='1584633' date='Jun 27 2008, 09:39 PM']That's not the first place I thought of. (freshly baked bread!!)[/quote] When the bun is in the oven?
CatherineM Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 Their behavior only changed the first time when they started burying their friends every week. That's probably what it will take again with this group that wasn't born when the disease first started killing.
mommas_boy Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Galloglasses' post='1584663' date='Jun 27 2008, 09:32 AM']I don't want to sound homophobic here, but the Lesbian/Gay Community in America really does have a high percentege of HIV cases. Considering its a minority, that high percentege is scary.[/quote] A high-percentage for a small population makes sense. Think of the virus as like food coloring that you add to a glass of water. The smaller the glass, the less food coloring you need to make it dark. Because the community is smaller, the number of potential sexual partners is also smaller. This means that a single person infected with an STI is more likely to infect a person whom you have also slept with. It's sorta like the difference between playing Russian Roulette with 11 blanks and 1 live round, versus 5 blanks and 1 live round. The six-shooter is twice as likely to kill you.
CatherineM Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 There's also the fact that many are on serious drugs or alcohol when having gay sex. I think I had over 50 HIV+ clients in the '80's, and to a man, they were all high when they thought they had contracted it. To a man, they are also all dead now. When the coverage of the first day of gay marriages in California were being broadcast, what struck me is that they all seemed so happy. That wasn't my experience with gay clients. They were all very unhappy, troubled guys, that had to be high out of some kind of self hatred. Granted, I only dealt with ones who were sick and needed to go on disability, or were dying and needed their estates dealt with. If you're high, you're much less likely to think of condoms I guess.
mommas_boy Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1584788' date='Jun 27 2008, 11:59 AM']There's also the fact that many are on serious drugs or alcohol when having gay sex. I think I had over 50 HIV+ clients in the '80's, and to a man, they were all high when they thought they had contracted it.[/quote] Makes sense. I was thinking this too when I wrote my post, but decided not to mention it for the sake of simplicity. But yes, sexual deviance is likely not the problem itself, but rather the symptom of certain other problems. These other problems then cause other symptoms common with sexual deviance, generally including drugs. Another issue is that societal pressure related to the sexual deviance, in addition to the act of sexual deviance itself, is likely a contributor to the source mental problem. beaver dam vicious circle. [quote]When the coverage of the first day of gay marriages in California were being broadcast, what struck me is that they all seemed so happy.[/quote] Of course they were happy. Legal gay "marriages" constitute societal approval in a society that while righteously denouncing the act, inadvertently makes these people feel unloved. Now, they believe, they are finally able to obtain that which they think will make them truly happy. And they might indeed be happy, but will never possess the depth of happiness that God had originally intended for them. [quote]That wasn't my experience with gay clients. They were all very unhappy, troubled guys, that had to be high out of some kind of self hatred. Granted, I only dealt with ones who were sick and needed to go on disability, or were dying and needed their estates dealt with. If you're high, you're much less likely to think of condoms I guess.[/quote] So sad.
Madame Vengier Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Paladin D' post='1584447' date='Jun 26 2008, 10:22 PM'][url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25398121/"]HIV resurges in men who have sex with men[/url] [b][i]Cases climb 12 percent among group of U.S. boys and men ages 13 to 24[/b][/i][/quote] The revolt of nature against aberrant sexual behavior. I used to volunteer with the Missionaries of Charity working with their femals AIDS patients. Never as long as I live will I forget what a horrible, horrible disease AIDS is and how it ravages the body from the inside out. If AIDS hasn't been a wake-up call for sexual deviants and drug users then I don't know what ever will be.
Madame Vengier Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Maggie' post='1584541' date='Jun 27 2008, 12:57 AM']This part confuses me. I guess these guys are just "experimenting" and so don't fall into the category of homosexual? When I saw the term MSM I almost fell off my chair because in the circles I move in, that acronym refers to "mainstream media," not... men who have sex with men.[/quote] These may not be experimentation cases but rather men on "the down low", aka "the DL". This was underground in the black community for years (and still is) and pretty much unknown until a black journalist broke the story a few years back. He wrote a very long article on it which I read and I was just shocked that such a thing exists. It goes deeper than sex. It's something psycho-sexual. These men actually believe they are heterosexual (which is utter nonsense) and that what they do in secret is just a fetish. But they refuse to use condoms so they contract AIDS on a massive scale and then take it back home to their wives and girlfriends. This is why the black community in America has the highest rate (and fastest growing) of AIDS cases in the country.
Deb Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1584865' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:37 PM']The revolt of nature against aberrant sexual behavior. I used to volunteer with the Missionaries of Charity working with their femals AIDS patients. Never as long as I live will I forget what a horrible, horrible disease AIDS is and how it ravages the body from the inside out. If AIDS hasn't been a wake-up call for sexual deviants and drug users then I don't know what ever will be.[/quote] Vital Statistics Worldwide: [list] [*]Over 22 million people have died from AIDS. [*]Over 42 million people are living with HIV/AIDS, and 74 percent of these infected people live in sub-Saharan Africa. [*]Over 19 million women are living with HIV/AIDS. [*]By the year 2010, five countries (Ethiopia, Nigeria, China, India, and Russia) with 40 percent of the world's population will add 50 to 75 million infected people to the worldwide pool of HIV disease. [url="http://www.until.org/ads.shtml"][img]http://www.until.org/images/xKevinBacon.jpg[/img][/url] [*]There are 14,000 new infections every day (95 percent in developing countries). HIV/AIDS is a "disease of young people" with half of the 5 million new infections each year occurring among people ages 15 to 24. [*]The UN estimates that, currently, there are 14 million AIDS orphans and that by 2010 there will be 25 million. [/list]United States: [list] [*]An estimated one million people are currently living with HIV in the United States, with approximately 40,000 new infections occurring each year. [*]70 percent of these new infections occur in men and 30 percent occur in women. [*]By race, 54 percent of the new infections in the United States occur among African Americans, and 64 percent of the new infections in women occur in African American women. [*]75 percent of the new infections in women are heterosexually transmitted. [*]Half of all new infections in the United States occur in people 25 years of age or younger. [/list]Really is too bad that nature included wiping out women and childen and leaving so many orphans. You would think it would have fine tuned it a bit more.
Madame Vengier Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Justin86' post='1584551' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:08 AM']I don't know how true it is, but some very smart people have told me that actual cases of HIV resulting from heterosexual contact are minimal at best. It is mostly occurs in men that have sex with men, apparently.[/quote] Not that I'm an expert but I also believe this is true. The major cases of AIDS contraction among non-gays is through intravaneous drug use. That is then passed through heterosexual intercourse. Then there is a small number of those who contract it through blood transfusions or through rape. But the vast majority of the cases are gay men. It may be unkind but it's not inaccurate to call AIDS "a gay disease". Homosexual men have foisted this horrible disease upon the world. And I have nothing but pity for them because it's a dreadful disease and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But even with all the knowledge that's out there AIDS continues to grow. That means gay men continue to be careless and irresponsible with their deviant behavior. They haven't learned anything it seems.
picchick Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 In America it is a homosexual disease. In Africa it is mainly a heterosexual disease which is pretty interesting to me.
Deb Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='picchick' post='1584888' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:49 PM']In America it is a homosexual disease. In Africa it is mainly a heterosexual disease which is pretty interesting to me.[/quote] Probably why a lot of people don't care about the issue very much.
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