Madame Vengier Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1584722' date='Jun 27 2008, 10:04 AM']Their behavior only changed the first time when they started burying their friends every week. That's probably what it will take again with this group that wasn't born when the disease first started killing.[/quote] I think what has happened is that thanks to medical advances it now takes years for HIV to advance to AIDS and then several more years for AIDS to advance to death. Back in the 80s when HIV first came on the scene there were no medications to help this disease because it was a total blank slate for the medical community. So they were dying very, very quickly. And horrible deaths, I might add. But as the years have passed there are all sorts of medications developed to slow the advancement of the disease. They stay healthier way longer and I think for this reason they are not as scared as they used to be. Nowadays people don't have to watch their loved ones die a miserable death from "wasting disease" or watch them go out of their minds from brain deterioration. So the sense of horror for the disease isn't there anymore. I think this is a major reason why gay men don't seem all that worried about it like they used to.
mommas_boy Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='picchick' post='1584888' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:49 PM']In America it is a homosexual disease. In Africa it is mainly a heterosexual disease [b]which is pretty interesting to me[/b].[/quote] [quote name='Deb' post='1584891' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:53 PM']Probably why a lot of people don't care about the issue very much.[/quote] Yeah. Most people seem disinterested in anything that picchick cares about. j/k
Madame Vengier Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 (edited) [quote name='picchick' post='1584888' date='Jun 27 2008, 12:49 PM']In America it is a homosexual disease. In Africa it is mainly a heterosexual disease which is pretty interesting to me.[/quote] Ugh. I just wrote a long reply and when I hit send it disappeared. Annoying. Here's the gist of it: I believe there is something going on in Africa very similar to the underground DL community here in America. Many parts of Africa have very, very strange practices. It would not surprise me if African men aren't engaging in homosexual acts on the side, either totally in secret or as a practice that's an "open secret", i.e. something that has long been part of their culture and they don't understand what's wrong with it. Even in some parts of Africa where they are Christians the pastors and priests have a hard time breaking them from certain deeply inculcated pagan practices. They struggle to teach the baptized that certain practices are incompatible with Christian living and they simply must stop doing them. Certainly sexual issues are a big problem. They have rampant adultery, rampant sex with young girls, multiple wives, concubines, etc. It would not suprise me if there is homosexuality (or bestiality or both) there though I doubt they would admit to it as such. Actually, I'm convinced of it. And I bet the relief workers and people who go there to work with them know what's going on and won't address it becuase that would make it "a gay issue" and just prove further than AIDS is a homosexual disease. It would be very politically incorrect to tell the truth to the world (if my theory is correct) that Africa's AIDS epidemic stems from an undercurrent of homosexual deviancy in their culture. No, they will never admit to that if it's true. They just want to throw condoms at them, promote sterilization of the women and give free abortions. Yeah, that'll fix it. 'Cause it's worked so well in the West! Oh, I just want to add a note to say that many African Christian communities are totally devout in their Faith and they have created thriving and vibrant societies. The above comments certainly don't apply to all Africans nor to all African Christian communities. Edited June 27, 2008 by Madame Vengier
catholicinsd Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1584865' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:37 PM']I used to volunteer with the Missionaries of Charity working with their femals AIDS patients.[/quote] I find this hard to believe. Edited June 27, 2008 by catholicinsd
Madame Vengier Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1584912' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:23 PM']I find this hard to believe.[/quote] You're rude.
Galloglasses Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 Actually, I think there was a story of AIDs originating in Africa because native religious practices allowed multiple marriages. Can anyone verify this?
picchick Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1584897' date='Jun 27 2008, 02:00 PM']Yeah. Most people seem disinterested in anything that picchick cares about. j/k[/quote] Yeah...pretty much [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1584910' date='Jun 27 2008, 02:14 PM']Ugh. I just wrote a long reply and when I hit send it disappeared. Annoying. Here's the gist of it: I believe there is something going on in Africa very similar to the underground DL community here in America. Many parts of Africa have very, very strange practices. It would not surprise me if African men aren't engaging in homosexual acts on the side, either totally in secret or as a practice that's an "open secret", i.e. something that has long been part of their culture and they don't understand what's wrong with it. Even in some parts of Africa where they are Christians the pastors and priests have a hard time breaking them from certain deeply inculcated pagan practices. They struggle to teach the baptized that certain practices are incompatible with Christian living and they simply must stop doing them. Certainly sexual issues are a big problem. They have rampant adultery, rampant sex with young girls, multiple wives, concubines, etc. It would not suprise me if there is homosexuality (or bestiality or both) there though I doubt they would admit to it as such. Actually, I'm convinced of it. And I bet the relief workers and people who go there to work with them know what's going on and won't address it becuase that would make it "a gay issue" and just prove further than AIDS is a homosexual disease. It would be very politically incorrect to tell the truth to the world (if my theory is correct) that Africa's AIDS epidemic stems from an undercurrent of homosexual deviancy in their culture. No, they will never admit to that if it's true. They just want to throw condoms at them, promote sterilization of the women and give free abortions. Yeah, that'll fix it. 'Cause it's worked so well in the West! Oh, I just want to add a note to say that many African Christian communities are totally devout in their Faith and they have created thriving and vibrant societies. The above comments certainly don't apply to all Africans nor to all African Christian communities.[/quote] I totally agree with you on the state of Africa. I also think that there are homosexual relations going on in the country that are not being discussed. However, with the practices that go on there, I still think that the majority of the AIDS occurs due to heterosexual relations. Furthermore, unlike the US, the women breastfeed the babies. AIDS is transmitted in breastmilk. However, it is better for them to breastfeed rather than use formula because 1, it is expensive; 2, the water is not the best down there and it could kill children; 3, often times they will not dilute the formula the right way (a very common problem everywhere). Also, the women can transmit it to their children through birth. In the US they can perform a C-section and try to pervent some transmission between mother and baby. I agree also on the condom thing with you. They are not solving the problem of AIDS in Africa through condoms, abortions and sterilization. Instead they need to teach morality from a culture point of view. [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1584912' date='Jun 27 2008, 02:23 PM']I find this hard to believe.[/quote] Dude will you stop it???? I am getting tired of you insulting people.
catholicinsd Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 You just called AIDS a 'gay' illness. This stereo-type should not becoming from someone that claims to used to work with patients of this terrible illness.
Galloglasses Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 Last time I checked, plenty of hetero sexuals have this disease as well.
picchick Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 I believe what Madame was saying is that it is a gay disease seeing that it is contracted mainly through gay sex. Many heterosexuals have this but in America it is mainly a disease that strikes gays. At least this is what I learned in school.
catholicinsd Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Galloglasses' post='1584925' date='Jun 27 2008, 02:34 PM']Last time I checked, plenty of hetero sexuals have this disease as well.[/quote] Exactly.
Madame Vengier Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Galloglasses' post='1584920' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:32 PM']Actually, I think there was a story of AIDs originating in Africa because native religious practices allowed multiple marriages. Can anyone verify this?[/quote] But so do Muslims and they don't have an AIDS crisis. They don't seem to have an AIDS problem at all. Their marriages, though multiple, seem to be relatively monogamous.
Galloglasses Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1584932' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:39 PM']But so do Muslims and they don't have an AIDS crisis. They don't seem to have an AIDS problem at all. Their marriages, though multiple, seem to be relatively monogamous.[/quote] That's a good point.
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